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Residents Of Everlasting Hell

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This Debate Has Three Dreadful Questions

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell?

Do Christians who live sinful lives go to hell?

Do Christians who have incorrect beliefs go to hell?

Word Of Truth Rightly Divided: Consider the question our Lord asked the wicked, " Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? " ( Matthew 23:33 ) The world is filled with such serpents who imagine they can escape the damnation of hell. Scripture assures us they cannot, Luke 16:26, and their doom is everlasting, Matthew 25:46. Some Christians are ashamed of hell, and deem it a blemish to God's holiness, but God is "not worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed anything," Acts 17:25. Some Christians are saddened by hell, as though God were saddened by it, but this is false. "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought," Deuteronomy 28:63. The LORD will rejoice over you regardless of your fate, be it paradise or hellfire!

Do people who do not believe in Jesus go to hell? Take Christ's warning to heart: Mark 16:16 " He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." The wicked deny this verse; they even rid it from their Bibles, but God is not deceived; the resurrection of our Lord assures us of the authority of this admonition. Damnation is not a pronouncement with nothing to suffer; It is a castigation with everything to suffer. Consider the voice of him that cried out in the wilderness: " he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life,and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." John 3:36. Damnation brings every ounce of God's fury with it! People who do not believe in Jesus, must suffer the wrath of God everlastingly in a frightful place " where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched," Mark 9:44. Hell's worms will squirm within them, forever mocking their misery, while the flames repeatedly lash about. Nebuchadnezzar heated his furnace sevenfold, Daniel 3:19, beyond that it could do no more, but God's wrath has no limits, It is poured out without mixture, Revelation 14:10.

Do Christians Who Live Sinful Lives Go To Hell? Many Christians fancy themselves immune from God's wrath, "but God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap," Galatians 6:7. The sinful Christian may pretend God's wrath will pass over him, but "we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not", 1 John 5:18. Do you believe in Jesus? "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more lest a worse thing come unto thee," John 5:14. Some Christians think a prayer will hide them from God's wrath. "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow me," Matthew 16:24. Christ doesn't tread the path of iniquity, "he that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself also to walk as He walked," 1 John 2:6. Many Christians will hear the horrifying words, " depart from Me, ye that work iniquity," Matthew 7:23. Prayer without obedience is deception! "Nevertheless they did flatter Him with their mouth, and they lied to Him with their tongues. For their heart were not right with Him, neither were they steadfast in His covenant." Psalms 78:36,37.

Do Christians Who Have Incorrect Beliefs Go To Hell? There is a woeful amount of ignorant Christians who believe God will spare them His awful wrath. But what saith Scripture? "But there were false prophets also among them, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction," 2 Peter 2:1. Incorrect beliefs, no matter how trivial the Church deems them, are in fact denying the Lord! God is a jealous God, Exodus 34:14, and demands we love Him with all our hearts, souls, and minds, Matthew 22:37. God will have all of the mind or none of it. The lazy Christian who shrugs off his duty to rightly divide the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15, thereby embracing foolishness, will receive no grace whatsoever from the Lord. "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven," Matthew 7:21. The will of the Lord, is to understand the will of the Lord, Ephesians 5:17. Paul doesn't admonish us in vain: "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15. Like a workman we are to make it our occupation to study the Scriptures, so that we don't have to be ashamed of our ignorance and unprofitableness. This is the only way we can be approved unto God, fit for obedience and well pleasing to Him. We may have curious differences about things that pertain neither to God or godliness, but concerning the twain Christ saith " how is it that ye do not understand?" Mark 8:21.


Residents Of Everlasting Hell

Whosoever doesn't believe in Jesus will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but disregards righteous conduct will be accursed!
Whosoever calls himself a Christian, but embraces ignorance of Scripture or false interpretations thereof, will be accursed!

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)

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myth-one.com wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
No, it's not literal. Just like throwing death and Hades into the fire is not literal. How can one throw death? That action denotes a ceasing of death and the grave, and the lake of fire is symbolic of complete annihilation.

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
No, it's not literal. Just like throwing death and Hades into the fire is not literal. How can one throw death? That action denotes a ceasing of death and the grave, and the lake of fire is symbolic of complete annihilation.

If there is an end to death and the grave, then why can't death and the grave be literally considered as "dead" concepts.

And when the last human whose name is not written in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire and dies, then that throw killed the concept of death, as there are no longer any humans who can die. Thus, death was "thrown" into the lake of fire.

I think God literally got it right, and your understanding is at fault.

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:28 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
No, it's not literal. Just like throwing death and Hades into the fire is not literal. How can one throw death? That action denotes a ceasing of death and the grave, and the lake of fire is symbolic of complete annihilation.

If there is an end to death and the grave, then why can't death and the grave be literally considered as "dead" concepts.
They are. But the WAY they cease to exist in these verses is not literal. One can't literally throw or cast death or Hades.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:14 am
myth-one.com wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:28 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
No, it's not literal. Just like throwing death and Hades into the fire is not literal. How can one throw death? That action denotes a ceasing of death and the grave, and the lake of fire is symbolic of complete annihilation.

If there is an end to death and the grave, then why can't death and the grave be literally considered as "dead" concepts.
They are. But the WAY they cease to exist in these verses is not literal. One can't literally throw or cast death or Hades.

OK, so when there are no more living humans, then death and the grave can literally be considered as "dead" in regards to humans.

That will occur when the last living human to be judged is either born again as an immortal spiritual bodied being or cast into the lake of fire and quickly dies.

At that time, the age of man will be over as there are no more men alive.

But since you believe the "lake of fire" to be non-literal and the "casting of death and the grave" to be non-literal, then it would all be non-literal -- and thus will not literally happen as God claims it will.

Or, do two "non-literals" make a "literal?"

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:04 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:14 am
myth-one.com wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 2:28 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 1:09 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:20 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:29 pm
You don't understand what is being said by JehovahsWitness and myself. No one said that "hell" is not to be taken literally. Hell is the grave, literally. It is a fiery "hell" that is not literal.


What about the fiery lake of fire? Is it literal?

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)
No, it's not literal. Just like throwing death and Hades into the fire is not literal. How can one throw death? That action denotes a ceasing of death and the grave, and the lake of fire is symbolic of complete annihilation.

If there is an end to death and the grave, then why can't death and the grave be literally considered as "dead" concepts.
They are. But the WAY they cease to exist in these verses is not literal. One can't literally throw or cast death or Hades.

OK, so when there are no more living humans, then death and the grave can literally be considered as "dead" in regards to humans.

That will occur when the last living human to be judged is either born again as an immortal spiritual bodied being or cast into the lake of fire and quickly dies.

At that time, the age of man will be over as there are no more men alive.

But since you believe the "lake of fire" to be non-literal and the "casting of death and the grave" to be non-literal, then it would all be non-literal -- and thus will not literally happen as God claims it will.

Or, do two "non-literals" make a "literal?"
The END of death and Hades is literal. They will be no more. Yet throwing them is not literal. You can't throw death or Hades. The fact that they are cast into the "lake of fire" simply means that they are obliterated forever. The throwing is symbolic, as is the lake of fire meaning complete destruction..

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:07 pm
The END of death and Hades is literal. They will be no more. Yet throwing them is not literal. You can't throw death or Hades. The fact that they are cast into the "lake of fire" simply means that they are obliterated forever. The throwing is symbolic, as is the lake of fire meaning complete destruction.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil cannot be "obliterated forever" because he is immortal.

So the immortal devil is going to be tormented day and night forever and ever in a "symbolic" lake of fire?

How does that work?

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:07 pm
The END of death and Hades is literal. They will be no more. Yet throwing them is not literal. You can't throw death or Hades. The fact that they are cast into the "lake of fire" simply means that they are obliterated forever. The throwing is symbolic, as is the lake of fire meaning complete destruction.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil cannot be "obliterated forever" because he is immortal.

So the immortal devil is going to be tormented day and night forever and ever in a "symbolic" lake of fire?

How does that work?
He is not immortal. It is very clear in I Timothy 6:16 that angels were not created immortal. At the time Paul wrote this, only Jesus was immortal. It didn't change for the angels at any time.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:35 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:07 pm
The END of death and Hades is literal. They will be no more. Yet throwing them is not literal. You can't throw death or Hades. The fact that they are cast into the "lake of fire" simply means that they are obliterated forever. The throwing is symbolic, as is the lake of fire meaning complete destruction.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil cannot be "obliterated forever" because he is immortal.

So the immortal devil is going to be tormented day and night forever and ever in a "symbolic" lake of fire?

How does that work?
He is not immortal. It is very clear in I Timothy 6:16 that angels were not created immortal. At the time Paul wrote this, only Jesus was immortal. It didn't change for the angels at any time.


HERE IT IS AGAIN:

When Paul wrote to Timothy he said that Jesus was the only one who had immortality.

Jesus gained an inheritance of everlasting life by living a sinless human life under the Old Testament Covenant. He was the only human to ever do so under that testament.

Thus He alone hath immortality as an inheritance under that covenant!

Also, chew on this!! Jesus wasn't immortal at this time! He owned immortality as a future inheritance!

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:16-17)

Jesus then offered His inheritance as a free gift to those humans who believe in Him as their Savior.

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:09 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:35 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:07 pm
The END of death and Hades is literal. They will be no more. Yet throwing them is not literal. You can't throw death or Hades. The fact that they are cast into the "lake of fire" simply means that they are obliterated forever. The throwing is symbolic, as is the lake of fire meaning complete destruction.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The devil cannot be "obliterated forever" because he is immortal.

So the immortal devil is going to be tormented day and night forever and ever in a "symbolic" lake of fire?

How does that work?
He is not immortal. It is very clear in I Timothy 6:16 that angels were not created immortal. At the time Paul wrote this, only Jesus was immortal. It didn't change for the angels at any time.


HERE IT IS AGAIN:

When Paul wrote to Timothy he said that Jesus was the only one who had immortality.

Jesus gained an inheritance of everlasting life by living a sinless human life under the Old Testament Covenant. He was the only human to ever do so under that testament.

Thus He alone hath immortality as an inheritance under that covenant!

Also, chew on this!! Jesus wasn't immortal at this time! He owned immortality as a future inheritance!

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:16-17)

Jesus then offered His inheritance as a free gift to those humans who believe in Him as their Savior.
I have explained ad nauseum the difference between the ones who reign with Christ in heaven and those who will live on the earth in physical bodies. Then you have the nerve to tell me to chew on what you have to say once again? Jesus was immortal at the time that Paul said that he was the only one. That doesn't change the fact that the angels were not immortal at this time. Therefore they never were, and aren't, immortal. Can you chew on that? Or it's just too complicated?

Physical life on Earth during Christ's Millennial Reign and thereafter: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:6-9, KJV)

Does that sound like spirit people and animals?

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