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Why Was Satan . . .

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. . . given power to tempt man, thus leading man into sin and eventually causing him to go to hell?


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Couldn't god have done it without Satan's help?



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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:02 pm
The Millennial Reign is a time of a lot of work, in many ways.



No, the Millennium Reign is a period of rest!

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:32 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:10 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:27 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:22 am Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This means the people alive during the millenium (including those resurrected during this period") reach perfect life by the end of the 1000 years.
Alive during the millenium? That is not what verse say.
But thats what it means.
Where to find the "alive during the millenium" on that verse then?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:26 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:32 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:10 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:27 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:22 am Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This means the people alive during the millenium (including those resurrected during this period") reach perfect life by the end of the 1000 years.
Alive during the millenium? That is not what verse say.
But thats what it means.
Where to find the "alive during the millenium" on that verse then?
"dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:02 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:19 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 10:46 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:10 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:27 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:22 am Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This means the people alive during the millenium (including those resurrected during this period") reach perfect life by the end of the 1000 years.
Alive during the millenium? That is not what verse say.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were over. This is the first resurrection. (ISV)
What is the meaning of the phrase "come to life?" (Not come BACK to life. That's not what the Scripture you are referring to says.) The meaning is that the people will be coming to life everlasting. Not that they will be resurrected after the Millennium. You say that JWs change the words in the Bible, but YOU are doing that a lot. You add words, and also do not read a verse in context with the other verses around it. "Come to life----come to life everlasting." That is what the phrase means and no one has changed any words.

Wrong. Those that come back to life after the 1,000 years are all of the deceased nonbelievers. They are resurrected as humans, not to everlasting spiritual bodied life.
I didn't say they were resurrected as spirit people.
You said they would be "coming to life everlasting." And the only life form which lasts forever is spiritual bodied life.
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:19 pmAnd they are not ALL deceased nonbelievers.
Yes, they are all nonbelievers.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

So all deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming.

Christians living at that time will be changed into spirits at that same time.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

After that occurs, there are no longer any living or buried human believers. All have received their rewards and are spiritual bodied beings.

And there will not be any additional human believers created during the Millennium as they have no teachers to teach them:

Romans 10:14
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?


So the only humans who Comprise the "rest of the dead" are nonbelievers, and they will be resurrected after the 1,000 years.
The "rest of the dead" are all those who will be resurrected back to the earth after the resurrection of the co-rulers of Jesus.

That has no meaning.

There are two type of humans -- believers and nonbelievers. All dead believers are resurrected at the Second Coming:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)


If all deceased believers are resurrected at the Second Coming, then the rest of the dead at that time would be comprised only of nonbelievers -- which will be resurrected after the 1,000 years!

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 9:16 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:26 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:32 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 2:10 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:27 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:22 am Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This means the people alive during the millenium (including those resurrected during this period") reach perfect life by the end of the 1000 years.
Alive during the millenium? That is not what verse say.
But thats what it means.
Where to find the "alive during the millenium" on that verse then?
"dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."
It did not say during the millenium.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:28 am
It did not say during the millenium.
The meaning is that they resurrected ones come to perfection by the end of the millenium.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:28 am
It did not say during the millenium.
The meaning is that they resurrected ones come to perfection by the end of the millenium.
No.

Those deceased that are Christ's (believers) will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming of Christ.

The rest of the dead (all deceased nonbelievers) will be resurrected after the Millennium as mortal humans once again.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:28 am
It did not say during the millenium.
The meaning is that they resurrected ones come to perfection by the end of the millenium.
Yes, and by context of Rev 20:7-9, by the end of millenium Satan deceived them (nations), they will gather together to battle and compassed the camp of the saints and the new Jerusalem but fire will devour them.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:27 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:28 am
It did not say during the millenium.
The meaning is that they resurrected ones come to perfection by the end of the millenium.
No.

Those deceased that are Christ's (believers) will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming of Christ.

The rest of the dead (all deceased nonbelievers) will be resurrected after the Millennium as mortal humans once again.
Yes, and by context of Rev 20:7-9, by the end of millenium Satan deceived them (nations), they will gather together to battle and compassed the camp of the saints and the new Jerusalem but fire will devour them.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 8:08 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:46 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 12:28 am
It did not say during the millenium.
The meaning is that they resurrected ones come to perfection by the end of the millenium.
Yes,
I'm glad you agree
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