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But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

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[Purple Knight]

The way I understand this puts God in a very poor light, because being nice to people is something you do only because God happens to want you to. Submission to God, and love for God, is the only thing that's right, and God just happens to want you to care for others. If he happened to want you to hurt others, then that would be right.

This is just might-makes-right on a cosmic scale. I'd like to think morality is higher than that.

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The way I understand this puts God in a very poor light, because being nice to people is something you do only because God happens to want you to. Submission to God, and love for God, is the only thing that's right, and God just happens to want you to care for others. If he happened to want you to hurt others, then that would be right.

This is just might-makes-right on a cosmic scale. I'd like to think morality is higher than that.

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But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

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[theophile]

The way I understand this puts God in a very poor light, because being nice to people is something you do only because God happens to want you to. Submission to God, and love for God, is the only thing that's right, and God just happens to want you to care for others. If he happened to want you to hurt others, then that would be right.

This is just might-makes-right on a cosmic scale. I'd like to think morality is higher than that.

It's not might that makes God right but rather our own moral affirmation of God's principle. (Love of God, if it is to be love, can not be out of coercion or intimidation as you seem to suggest, but must be freely entered into.)

At bottom, there is a highly subjective nature to morality. There is no objective basis like might or science but rather a fundamental affirmation of values / principles that each of us needs to make and live out on our own. Whatever those values / principles may be. It is a matter of belief. And the same is true for God.

So to be in love with God is to enter into God's cause. It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God. Not because God is God but because in our hearts we agree, and put our full moral weight behind it.

[Tcg]

It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God.

Please explain how it is that you know the "values and principles" of God.

Also, which God is it whose "values and principles" you know.


Tcg

[Purple Knight]

The way I understand this puts God in a very poor light, because being nice to people is something you do only because God happens to want you to. Submission to God, and love for God, is the only thing that's right, and God just happens to want you to care for others. If he happened to want you to hurt others, then that would be right.

This is just might-makes-right on a cosmic scale. I'd like to think morality is higher than that.

It's not might that makes God right but rather our own moral affirmation of God's principle. (Love of God, if it is to be love, can not be out of coercion or intimidation as you seem to suggest, but must be freely entered into.)

At bottom, there is a highly subjective nature to morality. There is no objective basis like might or science but rather a fundamental affirmation of values / principles that each of us needs to make and live out on our own. Whatever those values / principles may be. It is a matter of belief. And the same is true for God.

So to be in love with God is to enter into God's cause. It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God. Not because God is God but because in our hearts we agree, and put our full moral weight behind it.

I think I agree with this. But people with contradictory values need to not live together. Ideally they need to not destroy each other and let the others live in peace, too.

I might believe that a person is a sentient being. You might believe that a person is a human. I might want to chop up the human body that is alive without a functioning brain and you might say omg no that's murder. The Vulcans might land tomorrow and you might want to butcher them and feast on their rumps, because they're not human. I might say omg no that's murder. In the case of a fundamental value conflict, we can't just bury our heads in the sand and agree to ignore what the other is doing. We have to live in different societies.

[theophile]

It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God.

Please explain how it is that you know the "values and principles" of God.

Also, which God is it whose "values and principles" you know.


Tcg

I'm referring to the biblical God. And I know the values and principles of this God because they're conveyed in the bible.

Look at texts like Genesis 1, where God's value / principle is evident in its most seminal form... Here we see it is all about creating a world that can sustain life, and filling that world with life. (The value and principle here being life and its furtherance...) Or the passage cited in the OP, where love of God quickly converts into love of neighbor (Love of neighbor being an expression of love of life and its furtherance...)

Don't get stuck on the fact of whether things happened that way or not. It's the moral value / principle that matters here. And don't get stuck on other parts where God seems anti-life... These are important to explore but I think ultimately consistent with this principle.

As the OP passage goes on to say, all the laws and prophets are based in this.

[theophile]

The way I understand this puts God in a very poor light, because being nice to people is something you do only because God happens to want you to. Submission to God, and love for God, is the only thing that's right, and God just happens to want you to care for others. If he happened to want you to hurt others, then that would be right.

This is just might-makes-right on a cosmic scale. I'd like to think morality is higher than that.

It's not might that makes God right but rather our own moral affirmation of God's principle. (Love of God, if it is to be love, can not be out of coercion or intimidation as you seem to suggest, but must be freely entered into.)

At bottom, there is a highly subjective nature to morality. There is no objective basis like might or science but rather a fundamental affirmation of values / principles that each of us needs to make and live out on our own. Whatever those values / principles may be. It is a matter of belief. And the same is true for God.

So to be in love with God is to enter into God's cause. It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God. Not because God is God but because in our hearts we agree, and put our full moral weight behind it.

I think I agree with this. But people with contradictory values need to not live together. Ideally they need to not destroy each other and let the others live in peace, too.

I might believe that a person is a sentient being. You might believe that a person is a human. I might want to chop up the human body that is alive without a functioning brain and you might say omg no that's murder. The Vulcans might land tomorrow and you might want to butcher them and feast on their rumps, because they're not human. I might say omg no that's murder. In the case of a fundamental value conflict, we can't just bury our heads in the sand and agree to ignore what the other is doing. We have to live in different societies.

I'd hope there'd be some core values and principles that could speak to all our hearts and minds, and allow for only healthy difference and contradiction among us. Of course history says otherwise, but history also shows us that such a state is possible. If fleeting.

Hence things like evangelism in the bible. Not keeping separate from what is opposite (or living in different societies as you put it), but entering into foreign lands to spread the word.

[onewithhim]

It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God.

Please explain how it is that you know the "values and principles" of God.

Also, which God is it whose "values and principles" you know.


Tcg

You know the values and principles of God by reading His Word, the Bible. And we must get to know the one true God, YHWH, the Father of Jesus, who had the Bible, His Word, written down for us. (Psalm 83:18, KJV)

[Waterfall]

It is to share and affirm the same values and principles as God.

Please explain how it is that you know the "values and principles" of God.

Also, which God is it whose "values and principles" you know.


Tcg

You know the values and principles of God by reading His Word, the Bible. And we must get to know the one true God, YHWH, the Father of Jesus, who had the Bible, His Word, written down for us. (Psalm 83:18, KJV)

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