Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[JehovahsWitness]

Then how do you understand Ezek 28:18? That mentions ashes.

EZEKIEL28:18

I will cause a fire to break out in your midst, and it will consume you. I will reduce you to ashes on the earth before all those looking at you.

This verse is a warning that the nation if Tyre will be destroyed.

Fire symbolizes destruction
Ashes symbolizes evidence of that destruction



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[onewithhim]

You have not contradicted "my" doctrine.

Look, if we are to have a conversation, honesty has to be at it’s core.

I certainly have contradicted your doctrine.

You continue to contradict yourself. It is not God's desire to have anyone perish, but the wicked He will have to do away with to ensure peace and security on the earth.

You know that when you say this you make God out to be very weak.

You seem to think God is man.

I’m going to give you a bit of wisdom here. Take it or leave it.

When God desires something that something will happen:

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (H4610 desire)
Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I WILL ALSO BRING IT TO PASS; I have purposed it I WILL ALSO DO IT(Isa 46:10-11)

God doesn't want anyone to perish and "he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9b) This indicates that some will be destroyed, and God is waiting for all men to turn around and repent so that they will NOT be destroyed.

Everyone must be destroyed it’s part of the process of salvation.

That is what "salvation" is---to NOT be destroyed.

[EBA]

That is what "salvation" is---to NOT be destroyed.

Gee, and here I thought it had to do with reigning with Christ during the millennium.

My bad.

[EBA]

Then how do you understand Ezek 28:18? That mentions ashes.

Ezekiel 28 is prophecy.

It has to do with God's called who get a bit too haughty.
Those ashes are symbolic.

[onewithhim]

That is what "salvation" is---to NOT be destroyed.

Gee, and here I thought it had to do with reigning with Christ during the millennium.

My bad.

You said yourself that "everyone must be destroyed" to gain life. I rebutted that idea by reminding us that salvation is salvation from being destroyed.

[EBA]

That is what "salvation" is---to NOT be destroyed.

Gee, and here I thought it had to do with reigning with Christ during the millennium.

My bad.

You said yourself that "everyone must be destroyed" to gain life. I rebutted that idea by reminding us that salvation is salvation from being destroyed.

Do you believe there is a process to being saved?

[onewithhim]

That is what "salvation" is---to NOT be destroyed.

Gee, and here I thought it had to do with reigning with Christ during the millennium.

My bad.

You said yourself that "everyone must be destroyed" to gain life. I rebutted that idea by reminding us that salvation is salvation from being destroyed.

Do you believe there is a process to being saved?

Only that one must admit he is sinful and that he wants to change. That is repentance. Then he aligns his life with God's commands and principles, after accepting the sacrifice of Jesus. Then we must endure to the end (Matt.24:13). Jesus died so that we wouldn't have to be destroyed.

[EBA]

Do you believe there is a process to being saved?

Only that one must admit he is sinful and that he wants to change. That is repentance. Then he aligns his life with God's commands and principles, after accepting the sacrifice of Jesus. Then we must endure to the end (Matt.24:13). Jesus died so that we wouldn't have to be destroyed.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (Rom 6:6)

Peace.

[onewithhim]

Do you believe there is a process to being saved?

Only that one must admit he is sinful and that he wants to change. That is repentance. Then he aligns his life with God's commands and principles, after accepting the sacrifice of Jesus. Then we must endure to the end (Matt.24:13). Jesus died so that we wouldn't have to be destroyed.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (Rom 6:6)

Peace.

He is saying that our old natures that had been sinful will be gone forever and we can go on with our eternal lives. The literal human is not destroyed.

[EBA]

Only that one must admit he is sinful and that he wants to change. That is repentance. Then he aligns his life with God's commands and principles, after accepting the sacrifice of Jesus. Then we must endure to the end (Matt.24:13). Jesus died so that we wouldn't have to be destroyed.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (Rom 6:6)

Peace.

He is saying that our old natures that had been sinful will be gone forever and we can go on with our eternal lives. The literal human is not destroyed.

And how are those “old natures” to be dealt with?

"-that the body of sin might be DESTROYED-"

So yes those “old natures” need to go away and one of them is pride.

Maybe you should swallow yours and realize that destruction is part of the process in which we are saved.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do MORTIFY (kill) the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Rom 8:13 )