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Does Hell Exist?

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The question for debate is does hell exist? If so, what does the Bible teach hell is?
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Re: Does Hell Exist?

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EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm What I don’t get is why when I asked “So it appeared out of nowhere?”

You replied
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:06 pm“No it appeared due to the disobedience of Adam”
Because I took "out of nothing" to mean , without a visible cause.
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm ... did death exist before the creation of man or is it a just a byproduct of life?
That is a false dichotomy.

EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pmWhat it proved was Adam’s disobedience.
God certainly is the God of Adam
He was while he was obedient. He was not from the time of his rebellion.
EPHESIANS 2:2 ESV

in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm...do you think God is going to destroy death in the lake of fire? What about hades; will he destroy that?
Yes, meaning the condition will cease to exist.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?

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EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm...do you think God is going to destroy death in the lake of fire? What about hades; will he destroy that?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:40 am Yes, meaning the condition will cease to exist.
You didn’t answer the last question I posed.
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pmWhat about people?
Maybe if you answer the following question it will be covered:

Do you believe that when death ceases to exist, everyone will be made alive?

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EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pmWhat about people?
Yes God wiĺl destroy people who choose to do what is wicked; meaning they too will cease to exist.
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm Do you believe that when death ceases to exist, everyone will be made alive?
What do you mean by "everyone" and "made alive"?
  • If you are asking if I believe "everyone" that has ever been born will be given everlasting live? Certainly not.
  • If you are asking if I believe if all "the rest of thee dead" ( raised after the first resurrection ) will be given everlasting life? Again: No.
  • If by "everyone" you mean: will all those that prove loyal be given eternal life ..? Yes.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?

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EBA wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:54 pm
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pm...do you think God is going to destroy death in the lake of fire? What about hades; will he destroy that?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:40 am Yes, meaning the condition will cease to exist.
You didn’t answer the last question I posed.
EBA wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:31 pmWhat about people?
Maybe if you answer the following question it will be covered:

Do you believe that when death ceases to exist, everyone will be made alive?

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If you mean of "everyone" are those who overcome and continue their faith in Christ, Yes, they will be made alive.

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Capbook wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:12 am]

... "everyone" are those who overcome and continue their faith in Christ, Yes, they will be made alive.
Agreed. So where will these people live?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm What do you mean by "everyone" and "made alive"?
I meant everyone.

everyone. /ˈɛvriˌwʌn/ pronoun. Britannica Dictionary definition of EVERYONE. : every person : everybody.

As far as “made alive” I simply meant “made to live” since you say that “death is simply the absence of life” I took for granted that you would also believe the opposite; that the absence of death was life.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
  • If you are asking if I believe "everyone" that has ever been born will be given everlasting live? Certainly not.
  • If you are asking if I believe if all "the rest of thee dead" ( raised after the first resurrection ) will be given everlasting life? Again: No.
  • If by "everyone" you mean: will all those that prove loyal be given eternal life ..? Yes.
It seems, from your answer, that you don’t think death will ever be abolished.

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EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:41 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm What do you mean by "everyone" and "made alive"?
I meant everyone.

everyone. /ˈɛvriˌwʌn/ pronoun. Britannica Dictionary definition of EVERYONE. : every person : everybody.
So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?

EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:41 pmAs far as “made alive” I simply meant “made to live”
Well the people already alive will not be "made [literally] to live" (since they will already be alive), and the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?
Every human soul.
EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:41 pmAs far as “made alive” I simply meant “made to live”
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmWell the people already alive will not be "made [literally] to live" (since they will already be alive),
Ah semantics.
Are you made to live? Or did you decide to give yourself life? Can you take your life?

JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmand the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
So is it safe to say you don’t believe the following scriptures?

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)

By the way "eternal death" does not make sense.

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EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?
Every human soul.
What do you mean by human soul?
EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pmAre you made to live? Or did you decide to give yourself life?
False dichotomy
EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pm...did you decide to give yourself life? Can you take your life?
semantics


EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmand the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
So is it safe to say you don’t believe the following scriptures?

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)
No, it's not safe to say that.

EBA wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pm... "eternal death" does not make sense.
It does to me.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?

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So is it safe to say you do believe the following scriptures?

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)

So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)[/quote]

If so, I'm not sure how that works when you believe in "eternal death."

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