Does Hell Exist?
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #211Because I took "out of nothing" to mean , without a visible cause.
That is a false dichotomy.
He was while he was obedient. He was not from the time of his rebellion.
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in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience
Yes, meaning the condition will cease to exist.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #212You didn’t answer the last question I posed.
Maybe if you answer the following question it will be covered:
Do you believe that when death ceases to exist, everyone will be made alive?
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Post #213Yes God wiĺl destroy people who choose to do what is wicked; meaning they too will cease to exist.
What do you mean by "everyone" and "made alive"?
- If you are asking if I believe "everyone" that has ever been born will be given everlasting live? Certainly not.
- If you are asking if I believe if all "the rest of thee dead" ( raised after the first resurrection ) will be given everlasting life? Again: No.
- If by "everyone" you mean: will all those that prove loyal be given eternal life ..? Yes.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #214EBA wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:54 pmYou didn’t answer the last question I posed.
Maybe if you answer the following question it will be covered:
Do you believe that when death ceases to exist, everyone will be made alive?
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If you mean of "everyone" are those who overcome and continue their faith in Christ, Yes, they will be made alive.
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Post #215Agreed. So where will these people live?
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #216I meant everyone.
everyone. /ˈɛvriˌwʌn/ pronoun. Britannica Dictionary definition of EVERYONE. : every person : everybody.
As far as “made alive” I simply meant “made to live” since you say that “death is simply the absence of life” I took for granted that you would also believe the opposite; that the absence of death was life.
It seems, from your answer, that you don’t think death will ever be abolished.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
- If you are asking if I believe "everyone" that has ever been born will be given everlasting live? Certainly not.
- If you are asking if I believe if all "the rest of thee dead" ( raised after the first resurrection ) will be given everlasting life? Again: No.
- If by "everyone" you mean: will all those that prove loyal be given eternal life ..? Yes.
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Post #217So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?
Well the people already alive will not be "made [literally] to live" (since they will already be alive), and the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #218Every human soul.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?
Ah semantics.EBA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:41 pmAs far as “made alive” I simply meant “made to live”
JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmWell the people already alive will not be "made [literally] to live" (since they will already be alive),
Are you made to live? Or did you decide to give yourself life? Can you take your life?
So is it safe to say you don’t believe the following scriptures?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmand the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)
By the way "eternal death" does not make sense.
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Post #219What do you mean by human soul?EBA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pmEvery human soul.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pm
So you are asking about every individual (human or spirit) that has ever existed, ? Is that correct?
False dichotomy
semantics
No, it's not safe to say that.EBA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:05 pmSo is it safe to say you don’t believe the following scriptures?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:50 pmand the wicked condemned to eternal death will not be made to live, since they will be condemned To eternal death.
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)
It does to me.
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Re: Does Hell Exist?
Post #220So is it safe to say you do believe the following scriptures?
He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)[/quote]
If so, I'm not sure how that works when you believe in "eternal death."
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He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. (Isaiah 25:8)
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54)[/quote]
If so, I'm not sure how that works when you believe in "eternal death."
Peace.