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2timothy316 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pm One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?
If the trinity was essential for salvation, Jesus would certainly have taught his disciples about it. He would have used illustrations*, explained it and explained why believing in it was essential. He would have, at the very least uttered the word "trinity" (or a synonym) .
Regarding illustrations : They had eggs in his day so if trinitarians can think of explaining the trinity is like an eggs made up of three elements : Shell, yoke and white, then why couldnt Jesus?

They had families in those days , so Jesus could have likening his relationship to his God a that of a TWIN
His disciples were familiar with trinitarian godships, all Jesus had to say is : " We are like Osiris, Isis, and Horus only better"!
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 4:05 am
2timothy316 wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 4:32 pm One doesn't have to believe in the trinity to be saved?
If the trinity was essential for salvation, Jesus would certainly have taught his disciples about it. He would have used illustrations*, explained it and explained why believing in it was essential. He would have, at the very least uttered the word "trinity" (or a synonym) .
Regarding illustrations : They had eggs in his day so if trinitarians can think of explaining the trinity is like an eggs made up of three elements : Shell, yoke and white, then why couldnt Jesus?

They had families in those days , so Jesus could have likening his relationship to his God a that of a TWIN
His disciples were familiar with trinitarian godships, all Jesus had to say is : " We are like Osiris, Isis, and Horus only better"!
Jesus haven't uttered Trinity and also is the word Bible.
But the concept of Trinity is strong in Mat 28:19. Singular "name" used for Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Another illustration of Trinity;
One human
Our mind and heart - as the Father, whom sent Jesus to the world. John 3:16
Our word - as Jesus, Word become flesh, all things were created through Him.(logos) Col 1:16
Our actions - as the HS, who is here with us in action. Ezek 36:27

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:34 am Jesus haven't uttered Trinity and also is the word Bible.

True the word "bible" isnt in the bible but the concept and the word "scripture" and sacred books* /scrolls are.

* The word bible come from the root meaning of " books"


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Capbook wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:48 am... a definite article (name in singular) placed before Father, Son and HS. That I understand as one God in three persons.
That's nonsense. The expression "in the name of..." means "under the authority of"/ representing. This can refer to an individual (In the name of Jesus) , an institution or an entity (in the name of the law*).

Listing w(as in the case of Mat 2i) two individuals and an entity does not render them all EQUAL, much less all Almighty God.

* NOTE "In The name of the law" does not mean that "the law" is a person, with a '
name such as Bill or Jane
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I think it might be better to change "the" to "a".

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