Was he not Almighty God when he died ? Or was he not really dead then?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 amWe believe Jesus in dual nature, His flesh dies ...JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:38 am
Yes Jesus died; God [Almighty God] cannot die (see 1 Timothy 6:16 ). So Jesus cannot be Almighty God.
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What died is His human nature.(flesh). His equal with the Father was with Him always. Heb 1:3.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:01 amWas he not Almighty God when he died ? Or was he not really dead then?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 amWe believe Jesus in dual nature, His flesh dies ...JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:38 am
Yes Jesus died; God [Almighty God] cannot die (see 1 Timothy 6:16 ). So Jesus cannot be Almighty God.
Because we believe He is 100% human and 100% divine even He is in human likeness. Phi 2:7.
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So Jesus wasn't completely dead, just "partially "? ( Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant ?)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:36 amWhat died is His human nature.(flesh).JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:01 am
Was he not Almighty God when he died ? Or was he not really dead then?
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Jesus human flesh died.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:25 amSo Jesus wasn't completely dead, just "partially "? ( Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant ?)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:36 amWhat died is His human nature.(flesh).JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:01 am
Was he not Almighty God when he died ? Or was he not really dead then?
John 19:33 says,
But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
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You avoid the question here. Was Jesus partially dead? That would be the case if he had some ethereal part of him escape from his body upon death. But the Scriptures say that he was actually DEAD. He went to his grave and was resurrected three days later.Capbook wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:28 amJesus human flesh died.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:25 amSo Jesus wasn't completely dead, just "partially "? ( Isn't that like being a little bit pregnant ?)Capbook wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:36 amWhat died is His human nature.(flesh).JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 7:01 am
Was he not Almighty God when he died ? Or was he not really dead then?
John 19:33 says,
But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
NIV
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What Barnes thinks is in conflict with Christ and the Bible. I'd recommend reading the Bible for yourself and not letting Barnes determine what you believe.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 amWe believe Jesus in dual nature, His flesh dies (human nature), take back His life (Divine nature)JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:38 amCapbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:00 am
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,(NKJV)
John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.(KJV)
Yes Jesus died; God [Almighty God] cannot die (see 1 Timothy 6:16 ). So Jesus cannot be Almighty God.
As Barnes understand Jesus as Father's equal, Jesus is also Almighty.
Hebrews 1:3
It is to show his claims to our reverence as sent from God-the last and greatest of the messengers which God bas sent to man. But, then it is a description of him "as he actually is" - the incarnate Son of God; the equal of the Father in human flesh.
(from Barnes' Notes)
What does Jesus think? "The Father is greater than I." John 14:28
What does the Bible say? After Jesus death what is Jesus final position? Co-Ruler with his Father? Nope. "But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1 Corinthians 15:28. This scripture clearly separates the two as one having complete rulership and the other being in subjection to the other. Not equal.
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So it wasnt just a part of him that was dead all of him was dead. Correct?
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Your interpretation of 1 Cor 15:28 differ from JFB exegesis, they understand Jesus is co-equal with the Father.2timothy316 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2024 8:45 amWhat Barnes thinks is in conflict with Christ and the Bible. I'd recommend reading the Bible for yourself and not letting Barnes determine what you believe.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 4:29 amWe believe Jesus in dual nature, His flesh dies (human nature), take back His life (Divine nature)JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:38 amCapbook wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:00 am
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,(NKJV)
John 10:17-18
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.(KJV)
Yes Jesus died; God [Almighty God] cannot die (see 1 Timothy 6:16 ). So Jesus cannot be Almighty God.
As Barnes understand Jesus as Father's equal, Jesus is also Almighty.
Hebrews 1:3
It is to show his claims to our reverence as sent from God-the last and greatest of the messengers which God bas sent to man. But, then it is a description of him "as he actually is" - the incarnate Son of God; the equal of the Father in human flesh.
(from Barnes' Notes)
What does Jesus think? "The Father is greater than I." John 14:28
What does the Bible say? After Jesus death what is Jesus final position? Co-Ruler with his Father? Nope. "But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1 Corinthians 15:28. This scripture clearly separates the two as one having complete rulership and the other being in subjection to the other. Not equal.
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Son also himself be subject - not as creatures are, but as a Son, voluntarily subordinate to, though co-equal with the Father. In the mediatorial economy the Son had been in a manner distinct from the Father; Now His kingdom shall merge in the Father's, with whom He is one: not that there is any derogation from His honour; for the Father wills "that all should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father" (John 5:22-23; Heb 1:6).
(from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary)