Should misinformation be banned from the major platforms?

[Daedalus X]

For this topic misinformation is any information that promotes needle hesitancy or anti authoritarian approved information.

Here is an example of misinformation that can't be posted to YouTube, twitter, Facebook or any mainline medium. Is this good public policy?



This is a MUST WATCH.

https://www.therealanthonyfaucimovie.com/viewing/

[oldbadger]

* The One Question Transgender Advocates Can’t Answer


The discussion of chromosome variations beyond XX and XY in this video is excellent.

Oh dear!
This video is not excellent, it is ignorant.
Trent Horn is a Catholic apologist who has absolutely no idea about human genetics at all.
I notice that he seeks subscriptions........


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[oldbadger]

[Replying to oldbadger in post #244]

You have not researched asexuality or you would not find it so unusual. I have known asexual men and many asexual women, in fact one gentleman in our tea and chat group of four persons...... is asexual and never married nor had sexual relations in his 70 years.

I have no interest in researching asexuality, but it can be described as "unusual" (although I've not used that term an any of my posts) simply because of the ratio of asexual people to the general population. Being over 7' tall is also unusual, but that doesn't imply something is wrong with it. Unusual simply means not commonly occurring.

But you appear to be arguing against claims no one is making. Has anyone in this thread claimed that there are no asexual people, or that homosexuals, bisexuals, etc. don't exist? I certainly haven't. These people undoubtedly exist, but if you're placing someone in a gender category based on their physical, biological makeup, that can generally (ie. in most cases) be done without regard to their sexual activity preferences, or why those preferences came to be.

In normal development someone with a Y chromosome will develop male reproductive organs, facial hair, different proportion of body mass, etc. compared to a female having an XX pair. You refer to the person in your tea and chat group as a "gentleman", which I'd take to mean he is a biological male whose 23rd pair of chromosomes is XY. This is the fundamental point ... his lack of interest in sex with either females or males is a completely separate issue.

Whatever his stance is on sexual activity, his biological sex appears to be male. Would you suggest calling this person something other than a man, a male? You referred to this person as a gentleman yourself ... was that not because you see this person as a man? Why not use another term if you think this person is not a male, but should be placed into some other category (and what would that category be)?

Who we are when we are born doesn't seem to matter too much any more, does it? Science has learned how to change your heart for a better one, or liver. Science can adjust your body shape, and science can change your sex to match your sexuality.

And so my gentleman friend who is asexual is still male after his entire life, just as some asexual women that I know are female, but you know and I know that any of them could have decided to change sex.

And so there's nothing for you to challenge, then..... You've already identified that asexuality exists in both males and females, and so it shouldn't be too much of a problem for you to recognise that some people feel strongly that they are transsexuals, or bisexuals, or homosexuals, or polysexuals, etc etc.....

It's time for us to leave other people alone to follow their differing needs and drives, I think.

Your insistence that we are born with only one of two genders is of no consequence any more, and it is not true because some are born with both genders, you know.

[brunumb]

[Replying to oldbadger in post #245]

This issue is not about gay couples, or marriages, or same sex attraction. That was pretty much settled a few years back.

..... so you did have more to say, after all? Now, clearly our researchers are of many differing opinions about our genetical evolution and variations, so you're never be going to show me how 'That was pretty much settled '.

It would help if you read with the aim of understanding. What was pretty much settled in recent years was gay rights. The trans activists are now destroying all the progress that was made and one has to wonder at their real agenda. No one was trying to eliminate trans people or take away their human rights. Graduates of TikTok U and Woke Elementary are part of the problem spreading misinformation and lies in social media in particular. As for more intelligent folk, they are being held hostage by the activists coming after them, threatening their employment and incomes and thus enforcing their compliance and silence regarding blatant gender nonsense.

[brunumb]

Nature shows us how wrong you are. We have a male Carolina tree duck that is quite disinterested in the approaches of Carolina female ducks, and during some late springs he gathers golf balls together, makes a nest and sits them for about a month before losing interest.
If every human was genetically 'built' to only reproduce then that's what every human would want to do, and in exactly the same way as every other human.

Two simple examples to show how wrong you are.

Wow! The behaviour of a couple of ducks breaks down what has been established over millions of years of evolution and the nature of sexual reproduction. If you consider that as a valid refutation of binary sex, then I am not surprised that you have been taken in by the current hysteria of gender ideology. So sad. More so when the outcome of all this mutilation and sterilisation of our young people become apparent. There will no doubt be much shaking of heads, denial and shifting of blame, but the damage will have been done.

[brunumb]

* The One Question Transgender Advocates Can’t Answer


The discussion of chromosome variations beyond XX and XY in this video is excellent.

Oh dear!
This video is not excellent, it is ignorant.
Trent Horn is a Catholic apologist who has absolutely no idea about human genetics at all.
I notice that he seeks subscriptions........


Trent Horn | Catholic Apologist

Trent Horn
https://www.trenthorn.com
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Your ad hominem is noted. As is the absence of any scientific refutation of the contents of that video. He was right in at least one thing. Transgender advocates have no answer.

[brunumb]

Who we are when we are born doesn't seem to matter too much any more, does it? Science has learned how to change your heart for a better one, or liver. Science can adjust your body shape, and science can change your sex to match your sexuality.

NO. We can replace hearts and livers with compatible ones provided by donors. We can change body shape by working out and changing the muscle and fat composition of our bodies. We cannot change our sex. You can lop off breasts and attempt to construct penises from whatever available tissue might be viable. We can lop off penises and testicles and create cavities that vaguely simulate vaginas (now to be referred to as front holes or bonus holes for inclusivity sake). None of that is a change of sex. It is just a mutilation that results in a caricature of the opposite sex, nothing more. Those who do not undergo such transition surgery are simply engaging in cross-dressing to give the external illusion of the sex of choice.

[brunumb]

And so my gentleman friend who is asexual is still male after his entire life, just as some asexual women that I know are female, but you know and I know that any of them could have decided to change sex.

Being asexual means not being interested in engaging in sexual activity. It is not a category of sex like male or female. And, your friends may decide to change their biological sex, but they can't actually do it. Biological sex is determined at conception and there is nothing anyone can do after that.

[brunumb]

It's time for us to leave other people alone to follow their differing needs and drives, I think.

Of course, that's is what most people actually want. The problem is that the trans activists aren't satisfied with that and have gone too far. Even the LGB have recognised that and are starting to distance themselves from the rest of the alphabet. Actual trans people are expressing their dismay at what is happening. All they have to do is leave the kids alone and stop trying to rewrite established science to fit their false reality.

Your insistence that we are born with only one of two genders is of no consequence any more, and it is not true because some are born with both genders, you know.

NO. There are only two sexes and the reproductive process based on sex bears that out. People are not born with both sexes. A few may have components of both primary sex organs, but ultimately they will be naturally organised towards being a female or a male.

[boatsnguitars]

So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality.

Nothing in that lengthy post refutes the binary nature of sex in humans, other animals, or even all those living things that reproduce sexually. Errors and abnormalities arise naturally from a process that is not 100% foolproof. They do not mean that the underlying principle is all wrong.

Please explain how "trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality". Are you suggesting that society would collapse without trans people? That is absurd.

It would be absurd if that was the point. It wasn't. I imagine the opposite is absurd - that you are saying that we can dispense with Trans people. That we can ignore their existence and pretend they aren't real. The science says they are part of life, whether we like it or not. We can't toss them aside as if they don't or shouldn't exist.

I can't understand why people are so ready to promote chemical and surgical procedures to young people which will inevitably lead to a far from ideal life. The reality is that they will more than likely be sterile, fail to experience pleasurable sex, be constantly in need of drugs and medical attention for the rest of what will be a shortened life. Is this a desirable outcome if it is not necessary? The lies and misinformation surrounding trans ideology have led people to the false conclusion that it is the only solution to young people feeling gender insecurity. They are rushed onto the treadmill and the clinics and surgeons are filling their coffers without any real concern for the aftermath of their treatment. De-transitioners are mercilessly attacked and silenced. One has to wonder why that would be necessary if the truth and the welfare of children are our ultimate priority.

You can't - or won't - understand it? How much have you actually studied the issue? I think it appears that you've been reading propaganda that supports your view and not reading the entire literature. After all, it's enough to say that there are many Trans people who are very happy. Are you dismissive of them? Why?

As for "errors", perhaps your brain is the error in that you can't fathom why some organisms are born the way they are? See how offended you are at this idea - yet, you appear to joyfully decide that others are the ones that are biological errors.

There is no underlying principle. Life isn't working from a set of plans, or rules determined by some Master Planner. It's humans that try to put things in categories - then - apparently - some humans get bent out of shape when Life doesn't conform to their invented categories.

I'll follow the science, not the angry rants from Categorists, thank you.

[Jose Fly]

What was pretty much settled in recent years was gay rights. The trans activists are now destroying all the progress that was made and one has to wonder at their real agenda.

What the hell? I leave for a few days and you're still here being a bigot. Why? What is it about trans people that bothers you so much? What exactly are you so worried that they're going to do? What do you think their "real agenda" might be?

No one was trying to eliminate trans people or take away their human rights.

This is how I know you're bigoted. I provided you an incomplete list of some of the was in which trans people are having their civil rights threatened and/or are subjected to discrimination, you completely ignored it, and now here you are repeating your nonsense?

That, plus your hilarious claim that you were the only one posting science, when in reality I've been posting from SA and the Yale School of Medicine while you've been posting......youtube vids.

You couldn't behave more like a creationist if you tried.

The only solace is that this forum is so obscure and thinly-populated, nothing that's posted here really matters.