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Where did this concept come from?

I would suggest it began with John 1:1
Out of the eater came something to eat,
And out of the strong came something sweet.

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2timothy316 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:03 pm
No one in the Greek speaking language understood Jesus to be THE God.

Actually you're quite wrong. Nowhere in the Greek or Hebrew language is the definite article and the word god used where Jesus is concerned. This is all in your head and is not based on facts.

Pay attention to the words ........There is no definite article when referring to Jesus. In the absence of the definite article it translates that Jesus is not The God.

It is not in my head. It is in the same book of John that I have been addressing, chapter 20:28.

"And Thomas answered him and said to him: "My Lord and My God""

As you said to me, pay attention to the words:

KAI APEKRITHE HO THOMAS KAI EPEN AUTO HO KURIOS MOU KAI HO THEOS MOU

And answered the Thomas and said to him The Lord of me and The God of me

Check this in your Watchtower Wescott and Hort Kingdom Interlinear.

There is the definite article. And there is Jesus called The God. Testified by Thomas and John, acknowledged by Jesus, inspired by God.
Out of the eater came something to eat,
And out of the strong came something sweet.

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I rest my case.
Out of the eater came something to eat,
And out of the strong came something sweet.

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Ross wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:27 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:03 pm
No one in the Greek speaking language understood Jesus to be THE God.

Actually you're quite wrong. Nowhere in the Greek or Hebrew language is the definite article and the word god used where Jesus is concerned. This is all in your head and is not based on facts.

Pay attention to the words ........There is no definite article when referring to Jesus. In the absence of the definite article it translates that Jesus is not The God.

It is not in my head. It is in the same book of John that I have been addressing, chapter 20:28.

"And Thomas answered him and said to him: "My Lord and My God""

As you said to me, pay attention to the words:

KAI APEKRITHE HO THOMAS KAI EPEN AUTO HO KURIOS MOU KAI HO THEOS MOU

And answered the Thomas and said to him The Lord of me and The God of me

Check this in your Watchtower Wescott and Hort Kingdom Interlinear.

There is the definite article. And there is Jesus called The God. Testified by Thomas and John, acknowledged by Jesus, inspired by God.
Just because this is what Thomas said that doesn't mean that both titles were directed at Jesus. Lord was certainly directed at Jesus but you have no proof that My God was directed at Jesus. This too is in your head.

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2timothy316 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:18 am
Ross wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:27 pm
2timothy316 wrote: Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:03 pm
No one in the Greek speaking language understood Jesus to be THE God.

Actually you're quite wrong. Nowhere in the Greek or Hebrew language is the definite article and the word god used where Jesus is concerned. This is all in your head and is not based on facts.

Pay attention to the words ........There is no definite article when referring to Jesus. In the absence of the definite article it translates that Jesus is not The God.

It is not in my head. It is in the same book of John that I have been addressing, chapter 20:28.

"And Thomas answered him and said to him: "My Lord and My God""

As you said to me, pay attention to the words:

KAI APEKRITHE HO THOMAS KAI EPEN AUTO HO KURIOS MOU KAI HO THEOS MOU

And answered the Thomas and said to him The Lord of me and The God of me

Check this in your Watchtower Wescott and Hort Kingdom Interlinear.

There is the definite article. And there is Jesus called The God. Testified by Thomas and John, acknowledged by Jesus, inspired by God.
Just because this is what Thomas said that doesn't mean that both titles were directed at Jesus. Lord was certainly directed at Jesus but you have no proof that My God was directed at Jesus. This too is in your head.
Oh my goodness! You people read too many Watchtower comics.

"And Thomas answered him and said to him: "My Lord and My God""
Out of the eater came something to eat,
And out of the strong came something sweet.

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Out of the eater came something to eat,
And out of the strong came something sweet.

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Ross wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:09 am
2timothy316 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:22 pm
If a friend of mine came back to life and I say to them, "Oh my God, you're alive!" That doesn't mean my friend is God.

Thus when Thomas said The Lord of me and the God of me, it was an idiom. Do you know what that is?
"a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words (e.g., raining cats and dogs)"
I do not value commentaries as though they were some recognized authority in the same way you value Watchtower books.
I'm not surprised. I doubt it would matter if came from Jesus himself that his not God. I could point several others that have nothing to do with my religion and that wouldn't be enough.

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2timothy316 wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:22 pm
Ross wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:44 pm You people read too many Watchtower comics.
And your drink into too much of what false religion hands out.
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