Christianity's Biggest Problem Yet?

[POI]

Below is a 20 minute video. For the ones who opt not to watch, I'll start with the following question? (Which may then lead to many others, as this is a fairly new concept of thought for me)....

Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering? Before you Christians answer, I trust you are already aware of this guy's counter points?

[kjw47]

Everything ate vegetation. It will go back that way in Gods kingdom-Isaiah 11: 7--The animals wouldnt have gotten along on Noahs ark if they were meat eaters at that point.

The T. Rex was a vegetarian prior to "the fall"?

There is no mention of the dinosaurs being around when mankind came to be.

Have you taken science?

They dont know when the dinosaurs were here exactly. The bible doesn't mention them on earth while mankind was here.

[kjw47]

You seem confused on the matter. The angel being who came to be known as satan and devil, was good, a loving servant of the true God. God placed him over the garden( earth) he got jealous and wanted worship, thus he rebelled and lied to Eve to screw it all up.

I think it is you who is confused. Satan was not the serpent in the garden.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Genesis 3:14  And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.

Time for some more creative spin I suppose.

satan spoke through the serpent. Rev 12:9, Rev 20:2-both in reference to satan.

So God punished the serpent but not Satan. This gets sillier by the moment.

Satan is doomed for destruction.

[kjw47]

There is no mention of the dinosaurs being around when mankind came to be.

And no mention of god being around until mankind came to be.

At Proverbs 8-Gods master worker(Jesus) tells all he witnessed the creation by God.

[JoeyKnothead]

There is no mention of the dinosaurs being around when mankind came to be.

And no mention of god being around until mankind came to be.

At Proverbs 8-Gods master worker(Jesus) tells all he witnessed the creation by God.

So... no mention of god being around until mankind came to be.

If we're just gonna believe someone for their ability to utter, we might as well all vote republican.

[JoeyKnothead]

Satan is doomed for destruction.

You can't even show there's a Satan to get destructed.

[brunumb]

So God punished the serpent but not Satan. This gets sillier by the moment.

Satan is doomed for destruction.

That is irrelevant to what God did to the serpent.

[JoeyKnothead]

So God punished the serpent but not Satan. This gets sillier by the moment.

Satan is doomed for destruction.

That is irrelevant to what God did to the serpent.

"Oh yeah? Well... this other thing!"

[brunumb]

Satan is doomed for destruction.

This highlights some more absurdities. Why was Satan allowed free rein to seduce God's beloved children in his own garden? The consequences have been enormous and totally preventable. After Satan brought about the fall, the serpent was punished, but Satan got to go on wreaking havoc. This is madness. It's like catching a serial rapist, punishing the victim, then allowing the rapist to continue his spree with the promise that he well get his punishment one day. No sane person would be expected to do that let alone an omnibenevolent deity.

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #399]

Just to remind you, this is not a question for atheists. Unbelievers don't need to concern themselves with why animals suffer. They can just say, it is bad luck or whatever. It is the theists that have to give a reason God would allow this. If there is a reason God would allow this, then the question has been answered, which it has.

We reap what we sow? Often that's the case. But not always, as with natural disasters, which has always been the elephant in the room,

This is not an issue for reasons I pointed out already. We are not talking about karma as some natural law, but about an all-knowing, all-powerful God that can easily make sure that all suffering an animal endures is just. A forest fire causes a bunch of animals suffering, and those same animals caused suffering or will do so. In the end, every animal balances out. That is, it will have suffered the same amount of suffering it has caused.

[William]

Q: Why does YHWH allow for so much animal suffering?

At this point I have only watched the first few minutes of the OP Video and it occurs to me that animal suffering in the wild is done to animals by other animals due to this being the way they are designed - [re YHVH] - if they do not want to be hungry, they must kill other animals.

Domesticated animals fare better, as they are farmed by humans, which was part of the instruction given to humans in Genesis One - to subdue, et al.

Therefore, it is argued that YVHV created the earth as a wild place, specifically so that YHVH could then create humans and wild animals et al, in order to task humans with "doing something about the suffering"

Perhaps this was seen by YHVH to be a means of having humans learn purpose through employing lovingkindness?