The kingdom of God.

[Checkpoint]

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #1370]

re what evidence Myth One has offered in support of the statement;

"prior to humans YHVH provided spiritual bodied beings to fulfill that responsibility -- some of which abandoned their earthly estate:"

The Books of the Bible in Order
Isaiah
Luke
Corinthians
Jude
Revelation

Notes:

◉ Most of the verses used, come from the Christian Bible [New Testament]
◉ These verses are somehow based upon one verse given from Scripture [Hebrew Books]
◉ The New Testament wasn't part of that which constituted what the author of Timothy [of the NT] was referring to as "all scripture" as is given by inspiration of YHVH, since the author would not have regarded his words as being of the Hebrew Bible. and therefore, Scripture.
◉ While it is not debated that the New Testament is regarded by Christians as "Scripture" it has not been shown by Christians to have been inspired by YHVH. More evidence from Christians, is required. [re the known phenomena of Cultural Appropriation]
◉ The order of events re Christian mythology and Satan, require explaining that the spirit of the mythology can be tested.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to William in post #1371]

Are you trying to make some kind of point? If so, what is it?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #1371]

Are you trying to make some kind of point? If so, what is it?

No. I am asking you to give the reader a timeline regarding the biblical events you used to try and support your statement;

"prior to humans YHVH provided spiritual bodied beings to fulfill that responsibility -- some of which abandoned their earthly estate:"

The - largely Christian - scripture you referred, does not appear to follow any order.

For example;

Q: Does the script you used from Revelation, refer to a time 'prior to humans' or something else?

You are required to tie your supporting evidence together which shows the reader in a coherent manner, that you statement is well supported.

Presently, it is not.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to William in post #1370]

Who are you quoting in 1370?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #1370]

Who are you quoting in 1370?

You. In 1363.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #1361]

Scriturally the notion that YHVH created an incomplete earth is completely false.

Nope. It is scriptually clear that the Earth was unsubdued.

Unsubdued does not mean incomplete. Your conflation of the two is inaccurate and scripturaly untenable.

... [the planet EARTH] was as complete as YHVH wanted it to be, in order that humans could subdue it.

That is correct. As has been explained (on several occassions) that something needs subduing does not negate its completion. The PLANET EARTH was complete; God's project for the earth was not .


JW


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[JehovahsWitness]

Therefore, IF "unsubdued" means 'not complete {snip}...

But it does not; your hypothesis may be entertaining for those that are interested word salad but biblically and even in accepted lexicon, "unsubdued" does not mean 'not complete'.

Playing words games is also a poor way in which to present argument

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[myth-one.com]

The devil is identified as the ruler over the earth:

You stated;

"prior to humans YHVH provided spiritual bodied beings to fulfill that responsibility -- some of which abandoned their earthly estate:"

Now you state that "'the devil' is identified as the ruler over the earth"

Q: How is that tied into the idea that some spiritual bodied beings abandoned their earthly estate?

To abandon one's earthly estate, one must first obtain the earthly estate. The devil is one such example.

Further to that;

Q: Is 'the devil' one such "spiritual bodied being"?

Yes.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #1378]

Q: How is that tied into the idea that some spiritual bodied beings abandoned their earthly estate?

To abandon one's earthly estate, one must first obtain the earthly estate. The devil is one such example.

That does not answer the questioned asked of you.

Q: Is 'the devil' one such "spiritual bodied being"?

Yes.

Please explain the storyline events re these scattered verses you think show us that prior to humans YHVH provided spiritual bodied beings to fulfill that responsibility -- some of which abandoned their earthly estate.
Please explain these in the order that they happened so that at least we have something in which to examine and test the spirit of your interpretation with.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #1378]

Q: How is that tied into the idea that some spiritual bodied beings abandoned their earthly estate?

To abandon one's earthly estate, one must first obtain the earthly estate. The devil is one such example.

That does not answer the questioned asked of you.

Yes it does.

The devil is the ruler of the earth.

And at some time after being given that authority, he rebelled against God.