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The coming of Gods kingdom is good news for all creation. A complete reversal of this satan ruled system of things. No more war, hatred, fear, pain. sickness, diseases, starvation, infirmities, no greed, cheating on mates, drug addiction, drunkeness, No mourning, outcries, even death will be no more( Rev 21:4) etc,etc= a cure all for what ails mortal existence. During Jesus 1000 year reign, satan is abyssed, the earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise) a resurrection of dead loved ones who get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will and get their names written in Gods book of life. Mortals made back to perfection, not aging like now. All created living things living in perfect harmony(Isaiah 11) But then satan gets loosed for a little while and all rebels(Gog from Magog( Rev 20:8) get rooted out, and death, Hades( grave) satan and his angels and Gog from Magog get destroyed in the lake of fire. Then Gods kingdom in full control forever, never again anything like this satan ruled system will occur. pure happiness, all motives of mortal hearts from love not profit seeking.
Gaining entrance into that kingdom has more value than all the wealth combined on earth. One must live to do Jesus' Fathers will now over their own will( Matt 7:21)
Like this-Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24

Will you live for entrance into Gods kingdom?

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm
Miles wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:29 pm
"News"? This is the same-old-same-old that's been touted for thousands of years. Recycled prophesies cease to be news when they never materialize. Wake me when something actually happens. Image . . . . . . On second thought, I'd rather sleep through it all.

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You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
The kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).

Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Babylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.

Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

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Re: Good news

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myth-one.com wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:40 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:02 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: No where does it say to a spiritual life.
I Corinthians 15:42-44
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.


Paul wrote the above verses which compares the physical human Christian body which dies a physical death and is buried to the new body in which deceased Christians will be resurrected.

The human body which is buried is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.

At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.

This is exactly what the above verses state!

Regarding the resurrected bodies of believers, Kjw47 claims that nowhere do the scriptures state that believers will be resurrected to a spiritual bodied life.

Kjw47, can you defend you claim against the inspired words of God which contradict your claim?

Thanks in advance.
Does Isaiah 11 sound like its in spiritual bodies=no.
The Old Testament no longer controls our salvation.

Hebrews 8:6-7
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Under the New Testament Covenant those who believe in Jesus as their Savior receive everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of God as spirits. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You are still contradicting God's words by denying that believers will become angelic spiritual bodied beings.

Deceased Christian's are buried as physical bodied beings and resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings.

The human body can live to about 120 years max.

Spiritual bodied beings live eternally.

God created Adam and Eve-flesh, to live forever--they rebelled and lost that. The tree of life is hidden from mortal flesh. It must be what sustains one forever as flesh. It comes back in Gods kingdom.

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Re: Good news

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm


You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
The kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).

Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Babylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.

Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

Satan rules all kingdoms on earth( 2 Cor 4:4) Rev 16)-- He offered to Jesus all kingdoms of the earth, because he leads them. Not one of them does Gods will.

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:01 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pm

The kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).

Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Babylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.

Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

Satan rules all kingdoms on earth( 2 Cor 4:4) Rev 16)-- He offered to Jesus all kingdoms of the earth, because he leads them. Not one of them does Gods will.
All the kingdoms of Daniel 2 did God's will by "crushing" Israel & Judah (Hosea 5). When Satan crushed Job, it was under the direction of YHWH. The "evil one"/"devil's" message, the "tare seed", seeded among the "wheat seed", the message of the "son of man", is allowed and comes under the protection of God in protecting the "tares" until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-30 & 39).

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:36 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:01 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm


Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Babylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.

Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

Satan rules all kingdoms on earth( 2 Cor 4:4) Rev 16)-- He offered to Jesus all kingdoms of the earth, because he leads them. Not one of them does Gods will.
All the kingdoms of Daniel 2 did God's will by "crushing" Israel & Judah (Hosea 5). When Satan crushed Job, it was under the direction of YHWH. The "evil one"/"devil's" message, the "tare seed", seeded among the "wheat seed", the message of the "son of man", is allowed and comes under the protection of God in protecting the "tares" until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-30 & 39).

Yes nothing can stop YHWH,s will. He uses govts sometimes to do his will. He had Babylon take over the Israelites even though they had all false god worshippers in Babylon. They lived for false god worship because satan ruled them. The Israelite religion fell to false god worship over and over throughout the OT. Thats how powerful satan is( 2Cor 4:4) and how deceptive, like this-2Cor 11:12-15--today on earth 99% of all religions are false.

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:18 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:36 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:01 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pm

Babylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.

Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

Satan rules all kingdoms on earth( 2 Cor 4:4) Rev 16)-- He offered to Jesus all kingdoms of the earth, because he leads them. Not one of them does Gods will.
All the kingdoms of Daniel 2 did God's will by "crushing" Israel & Judah (Hosea 5). When Satan crushed Job, it was under the direction of YHWH. The "evil one"/"devil's" message, the "tare seed", seeded among the "wheat seed", the message of the "son of man", is allowed and comes under the protection of God in protecting the "tares" until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-30 & 39).

Yes nothing can stop YHWH,s will. He uses govts sometimes to do his will. He had Babylon take over the Israelites even though they had all false god worshippers in Babylon. They lived for false god worship because satan ruled them. The Israelite religion fell to false god worship over and over throughout the OT. Thats how powerful satan is( 2Cor 4:4) and how deceptive, like this-2Cor 11:12-15--today on earth 99% of all religions are false.
Actually, the house of Israel, whose name was passed to Ephraim, the 10 northern tribes, were sent into slavery by the king of Assyria for their sins and following the prophets of Canaanite god Baal. Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon took Judah (Jews) into captivity years later for their sins and worshipping false gods such as Astarte/Easter. Judah also took on the gods of Babylon, such as Bel, the sun god, once they were shipped to Babylon. The Christians take on the sun god, Sol Invictus, as they keep his day holy, by way of the beast Constantine, and his 321 A.D. decree to not buy or sell on the day of the sun, for it was to be a holy day of rest, which would make the observance of Sunday as a holy day, a mark of the beast. Ephraim, as the house of Israel, who is scattered among the nations (Ez 36:19), still worship the sun gods Bel/Baal/Sol Invictus, and Astarte/Easter by keeping their holy days.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:59 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:18 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:36 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:01 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm


Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.
The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.
The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.

No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
The beast of Rev 13:2 represents Babylon (lion)(Daniel 7:4), Persia (bear)(Danie 7:5), and a leopard (Greeks)(Daniel 7:6). And one of the 7 heads of the beast, the 5th head, who "is not" (Rev 17), which was slain, and whose fatal wound was healed, who reigned for 42 months, not 20 years, was Julius Caesar, who had the authority of the dragon (Rev 13:4), and who was keeper of the gods and calendar, Pontifex Maximus, who passed his authority to the now Pontifex Maximus (Pontif), the Roman Catholic pope, who now sits upon the beast of Rome, and widely propagates the "abominations of the earth" (Rev 17:5) by way of her daughters. The "killing"/"furnace of fire" of Revelation 8 and Matthew 13:41-42 will be by way of the "His angels".

Satan rules all kingdoms on earth( 2 Cor 4:4) Rev 16)-- He offered to Jesus all kingdoms of the earth, because he leads them. Not one of them does Gods will.
All the kingdoms of Daniel 2 did God's will by "crushing" Israel & Judah (Hosea 5). When Satan crushed Job, it was under the direction of YHWH. The "evil one"/"devil's" message, the "tare seed", seeded among the "wheat seed", the message of the "son of man", is allowed and comes under the protection of God in protecting the "tares" until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:28-30 & 39).

Yes nothing can stop YHWH,s will. He uses govts sometimes to do his will. He had Babylon take over the Israelites even though they had all false god worshippers in Babylon. They lived for false god worship because satan ruled them. The Israelite religion fell to false god worship over and over throughout the OT. Thats how powerful satan is( 2Cor 4:4) and how deceptive, like this-2Cor 11:12-15--today on earth 99% of all religions are false.
Actually, the house of Israel, whose name was passed to Ephraim, the 10 northern tribes, were sent into slavery by the king of Assyria for their sins and following the prophets of Canaanite god Baal. Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon took Judah (Jews) into captivity years later for their sins and worshipping false gods such as Astarte/Easter. Judah also took on the gods of Babylon, such as Bel, the sun god, once they were shipped to Babylon. The Christians take on the sun god, Sol Invictus, as they keep his day holy, by way of the beast Constantine, and his 321 A.D. decree to not buy or sell on the day of the sun, for it was to be a holy day of rest, which would make the observance of Sunday as a holy day, a mark of the beast. Ephraim, as the house of Israel, who is scattered among the nations (Ez 36:19), still worship the sun gods Bel/Baal/Sol Invictus, and Astarte/Easter by keeping their holy days.
The religion that came out of Rome= The son of destruction( peredition)( 2 Thess 2:3)= the great apostasy( and her 40,000 branches) screwed it all up. Added things off the table of demons into both celebrations to Jesus. Erred in translation to fit false council teachings. Like God being a trinity. Israel never served a trinity while serving the true God.

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm God created Adam and Eve-flesh, to live forever--they rebelled and lost that. The tree of life is hidden from mortal flesh. It must be what sustains one forever as flesh. It comes back in Gods kingdom.
If God creates a being to live forever -- then that being would live forever.

But Adam died:

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


Since Adam died, God did not create Adam to live forever.

Adam, Eve, and mankind was separated from the Tree of Life to prevent them from eating from it once and living forever:

Genesis 3:22-23
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:47 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm God created Adam and Eve-flesh, to live forever--they rebelled and lost that. The tree of life is hidden from mortal flesh. It must be what sustains one forever as flesh. It comes back in Gods kingdom.
If God creates a being to live forever -- then that being would live forever.

But Adam died:

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


Since Adam died, God did not create Adam to live forever.

Adam, Eve, and mankind was separated from the Tree of Life to prevent them from eating from it once and living forever:

Genesis 3:22-23
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
It stands to reason that if a person exercised his free will and decided to rebel against God, that person would be removed, for the safety and well-being of the rest of humanity. He could live forever if he followed the rules.

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:47 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm God created Adam and Eve-flesh, to live forever--they rebelled and lost that. The tree of life is hidden from mortal flesh. It must be what sustains one forever as flesh. It comes back in Gods kingdom.
If God creates a being to live forever -- then that being would live forever.

But Adam died:

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


Since Adam died, God did not create Adam to live forever.

Adam, Eve, and mankind was separated from the Tree of Life to prevent them from eating from it once and living forever:

Genesis 3:22-23
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
onewithhim wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:55 am It stands to reason that if a person exercised his free will and decided to rebel against God, that person would be removed, for the safety and well-being of the rest of humanity. He could live forever if he followed the rules.
Immortal: Incapable of dying.

A person who can live forever if he follows the rules is not incapable of ever dying. He is capable of dying after he disobeys a rule.

And immortality cannot be taken away once it is given. If an immortal being can die, then it was a lie that it was ever immortal.

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Here's a good example:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word created the heavens and the earth.

The earth had a problem and the Word needed to fix that problem.

But the solution could only be fixed by a mortal being, so the Word could not fix the problem.

That was resolved by the Word being made a separate mortal flesh being temporarily.

If Adam was created to live until he sinned, then Adam was not created to live forever.

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Mortal humans can gain immortality by being born again of the Spirit (God). When that occurs, they are no longer humans, but spirits which have everlasting life!

But once gaining immortality, one cannot return to mortality. It's a done deal.

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