The coming of Gods kingdom is good news for all creation. A complete reversal of this satan ruled system of things. No more war, hatred, fear, pain. sickness, diseases, starvation, infirmities, no greed, cheating on mates, drug addiction, drunkeness, No mourning, outcries, even death will be no more( Rev 21:4) etc,etc= a cure all for what ails mortal existence. During Jesus 1000 year reign, satan is abyssed, the earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise) a resurrection of dead loved ones who get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will and get their names written in Gods book of life. Mortals made back to perfection, not aging like now. All created living things living in perfect harmony(Isaiah 11) But then satan gets loosed for a little while and all rebels(Gog from Magog( Rev 20:8) get rooted out, and death, Hades( grave) satan and his angels and Gog from Magog get destroyed in the lake of fire. Then Gods kingdom in full control forever, never again anything like this satan ruled system will occur. pure happiness, all motives of mortal hearts from love not profit seeking.
Gaining entrance into that kingdom has more value than all the wealth combined on earth. One must live to do Jesus' Fathers will now over their own will( Matt 7:21)
Like this-Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24
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Post #31myth-one.com wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:03 pm<================= My Response =======================>kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:39 pmmyth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:06 pmIt's directly from the Bible:kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:56 pmThe bible doesnt teach what you say. Where are you getting it from?myth-one.com wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:21 am Those mortal humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life suffer their second and everlasting death -- never to live again.
Those mortals whose names are written in the Book of Life are born again of the Spirit as everlasting spiritual bodied beings equal unto the angels.
They are no longer mortals at that time -- but angels.
And there are no longer any humans at that time -- their purpose for existing has been completed.
All deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming:
I Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Christians who are living at the time of the Second Coming will be changed into spiritual beings and meet Jesus and the resurrected Christians in the air:
I Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
So every human believer (dead or alive) will have received their inheritance of everlasting life. At this point there are no more human believers.
They will then spend the Millennium with Jesus.
All deceased non-believers will be resurrected as humans after the Millennium:
Revelation 20:4-5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
Every deceased and living believer has already been granted everlasting life. So the only remaining dead humans are non-believers.
The resurrected human non-believers resurrected a thousand years after the Second Coming then face judgment.
Following their judgment, those whose names are written in the Book of Life are born again of the Spirit into everlasting life. They are spirits equal unto the angels at that time. They will never be humans again.
Those humans whose names are not in the Book of life after their judgment are cast into the lake of fire and suffer their second and everlasting physical death. They will never live again.
When that last living human is either given everlasting spiritual life or cast into the lake of fire and suffered the second death, there are no longer any humans.
The age of man is over at that time -- as there are no more men.
Those who have become immortal angels will then rule with their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ over the earth for ever and ever.
Why do you deny what the Bible clearly states?
Kjw47's reply: - - - - - - No where does it say to a spiritual life.
I Corinthians 15:42-45
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
This scripture is not complicated! Paul is writing to the Christians in Corinth.
The Christian body that is sown is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die. At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies. This is exactly what the above verses state! Read them again several times if you must to confirm their simple truth.
Correct, no one goes to heaven. The promise is for everlasting life -- not heaven. And whosoever believeth is promised everlasting life -- no matter what "flock" they belong to.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
There are believers and nonbelievers -- that's it. All believers are born again as everlasting spiritual beings at the Second Coming.
A thousand years later, all nonbelievers are resurrected as humans and face judgment. None of their names are written in the Book of Life.
After judgment, those whose names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire and suffer their second and everlasting death.
Be aware that absolutely none of those resurrected at the second resurrection had their names written in the book of life when resurrected! Every single human, dead or alive, with their names written in the book of life were born again as spirits at the first resurrection! So why are they checking the book again? Something obviously occurred since these nonbelievers were resurrected to cause the book of life to be modified. Otherwise, there would be no reason to check the book again for their names. What happened?
Would God raise these people again as physical bodies only to humiliate them during their judgment before casting them into the lake of fire? Why bother raising them from the dead only to inflict another painful physical death upon them? This flies in the face of "God is love." If the nonbelievers are being resurrected to be humiliated by judgment before being killed a second time, why not simply allow them to remain dead? Of course, God is love, and He is raising the nonbelievers for a reason! One event prophesied to occur before the end of time is that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world:
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The second resurrection and great white throne judgment occur before the end of our time. The end of time is the end of mankind as we know it today. It is the end of the age, or day, of man. It is also the end of man and the beginning of a new time. The end of our age occurs in the very next verse after those not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire. At this point there are no more living humans. All have been judged and the judgments carried out. The age of God's rule on earth now begins. What we have been praying for in the Lord's Prayer has now been answered;
"Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven:"
If anything Paul was writing that to the little flock, not to the great crowd. The bible assures they( great crowd) stay on earth-Prov 2:21-22--Matt 24:22. talking about the trib and Armageddon at Matt. Yes thy kingdom come on EARTH. The new earth=Eden(paradise) Gods kingdom in full control. Gods original plan has never changed. Only the little flock go to heaven. Rev 21:2-3-- The tent of God coming down out of heaven( to earth) --see the term-mankind=mortal. Not spirit kind.
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Post #33There are certain parts in the NT written just to the little flock.
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Post #34I Corinthians 15:42-44kjw47 wrote: No where does it say to a spiritual life.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
Paul wrote the above verses which compares the physical human Christian body which dies a physical death and is buried to the new body in which deceased Christians will be resurrected.
The human body which is buried is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.
At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.
This is exactly what the above verses state!
Regarding the resurrected bodies of believers, Kjw47 claims that nowhere do the scriptures state that believers will be resurrected to a spiritual bodied life.
Kjw47, can you defend you claim against the inspired words of God which contradict your claim?
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Post #35The "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pmBabylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pmThe kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm
You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
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Post #36myth-one.com wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:38 pmI Corinthians 15:42-44kjw47 wrote: No where does it say to a spiritual life.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
Paul wrote the above verses which compares the physical human Christian body which dies a physical death and is buried to the new body in which deceased Christians will be resurrected.
The human body which is buried is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.
At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.
This is exactly what the above verses state!
Regarding the resurrected bodies of believers, Kjw47 claims that nowhere do the scriptures state that believers will be resurrected to a spiritual bodied life.
Kjw47, can you defend you claim against the inspired words of God which contradict your claim?
Thanks in advance.
Does Isaiah 11 sound like its in spiritual bodies=no.
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Post #37The league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pmThe "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pmBabylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pmThe kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm
You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
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Post #38The League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pmThe league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pmThe "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pmBabylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pmThe kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm
You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
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Post #392ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 8:38 pmThe League of Nations, without the membership of the U.S. superpower, was dead on arrival, and was of no consequence and was soon disbanded, not slain, but disbanded because of its uselessness. The kingdoms portrayed in Daniel 2 did not include some non-Roman (iron) useless entity such as the League of Nations, and the League of Nations didn't last 42 months, nor did it last time, times, and half a time (Rev 13:5 & Daniel 7:25). It lasted as a useless entity for around 26 years.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:11 pmThe league of nations was 100% real. My post is pretty correct.2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:39 pmThe "beast" (Caesar who ruled 42 months as dictator) of Rev 13:7 precedes the "another" beast of Rev 13:11, who had "two horns like a lamb", and the authority of the beast (Caesar) of Rev 13:7 comes from the "dragon"/"devil", and authority of the "another" (king)(Constantine comes through Caesar from the "dragon" (sun god) (Sol Invictus/Apollo/Mithais). The decree of Constantine, in 321 A.D. was that one could not buy or sell, for he closed all shops on the day of the sun, the worship day of his god Sol Invictus. The fire coming down from heaven would be Greek fire, used to protect Constantinople, Constantine's city, from its enemies. It is the 8th head (Rev 17:10-11) which "was" (past tense), (as in the 5th head) during the period of the writing of Revelation, the period of the 6th head, whereas the 8th/5th head was not. As for the clay and the iron, they are two kingdoms mixed in the seed of men (Rome and Muslims) and fought together in WWI as German (Kaiser) and the Ottomans, and as Russian (Czar) and Muslims in the 1967 war. The "another" (king) of Daniel 7:24-25 is the same "another" (beast) of Rev 13:11, and both followed the beast of Rev 13:3, who was "slain", in as he was slain by the Roman Senate, and then rose as a god by decree of the Senate, and lived as the 10 Augustus Caesars until Jerusalem was sacked in 70 A.D., after which "another" beast/king arose and reunited eastern and western Rome, and who established the foundations of the Roman church whose end will happen after time, times and half a time (Daniel 7:25). The 1st 4 heads of the 7 headed beast were the original 4 kingdoms, which included Babylon, Persia, Greece, & Roman Republic. Caesar created a Roman dictatorship when he crossed the Rubicon. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast, which is the last head of the beast, and will be based around 10 dictators/horns, with such leaders (dictators) as Biden, Hussein Obama, Stalin, Xi, Mao, Hitler (who undid the German Republic as Caesar undid the Roman Republic), and Putin. The League of Nations never was, for it was not passed in the U.S. Senate. It was dead on arrival.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:22 pmBabylon the Great, and her daughters, including the Gentile churches (based on the dogma of the Roman Catholic church), are among the world pagan-based religions which sit on the beast (Rome) (4th world power which rules even today) (Rev 17:3) who receives its authority from the "dragon"/"devil" (Rev 13:4). The final power is the 8th, the one that was (Caesar, the 5th), "is not" (Rev written during time of the 6th head (Rev 17)) (the Augustus Caesars, the initial 10 horns of the 4th kingdom, who ruled during the writing of Revelation) (Rev 17:11) and who is the "eighth" with 10 horns (who was the 5th). There is no "two horned beast", there is the beast with "two horns like a lamb", which represent two Christ like leaders, those leaders being the "staffs"/"shepherds" (Peter and Paul) taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7), and Peter and Paul are the foundation of Constantine's Roman church, which will rule until the kingdoms are all crushed by a "stone cut out of a mountain without hands" (Dan 2:43)(Daniel 7:25-26). The 8th head would include the combination of iron (Rome) and clay (Islamic empire), which were initially crushed together in 1918, when the British crushed the combined German and Ottomans at the valley of Megiddo (Har-Magedon), where upon the British took over the land given to Jacob.kjw47 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 4:46 pm2ndpillar2 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:23 pmThe kingdom of God, whereas the LORD will judge between the sheep (Ez 34:20), and then set up David as the shepherd and prince over "Israel", whereas "the tree of the field will yield its fruit", "and they will no longer be a prey to the nations, but they will live securely" (Ez 34), has not happened. The "house of Israel" still remains "scattered among the nations" (Ez 36:19), and they haven't been combined with Judah on the land given to Jacob, under David (Ez 37:22-28). Rev 6:4 is about the "second seal" of a total of 7 seals. The 6th seal remains intact, and the 144,000 of Israel of Rev 7 have not been sealed, and the "great tribulation" (God's judgment) (Rev 7:14) remains in abeyance. WWI was but a start, whereas the British Balfour declaration allowed Zion into Judah, but it was not until 1948 that the Jews declared statehood, yet their woes continued along with the burning of the surrounding nations (Zec 12). The king ruling the nations from Jerusalem (Zech 14:16) hasn't happened. The prophecy of Daniel is that "another" (king) will come and have dominion for time, times, and half a time, and then face judgment, whereas the "everlasting kingdom" will take over. The "another" king following the 4th head (Rome) (Dan 7:23) is Constantine, and his Roman church (daughter of Babylon) and her daughters are still in power, though their power is waning quickly. According to Daniel 2, the kingdom isn't set up until all the kingdoms are crushed all at the same time. Those kingdoms of metal and clay, still remain as we speak. The Roman Caesar/Kaisar/Czar/emperors still exist in men such as Putin, and following 1917, Hitler and his 3rd Reich (3rd Roman empire).kjw47 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:47 pm
You have been watching Revelation your whole life, yet cannot see, as most cant. The prophecy in Daniel of the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven=rev 6-He receives his crown, 2520 years from the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 bce+2520=1914--Rev 6:4--and peace will be taken from the earth=ww1. proving 1914 correct.
Kings in Daniel and revelation= world powers, not religion. There are 4world powers listed in Daniel-The roman empire=#5, the british empire= #6--the 2 horned beast of Rev 13= #7 The 7th and final world power= metal and clay. The 2 horned beast of rev 13.
Yes the harlot of babylon=babylon the great= all false religionssssssss on earth. Rev 13--7 headed beast with 10 horns and a two horned beast= The two horned beast carries out all authority( resolutions) of the 7 headed beast--Cannot buy or sell=sanctions. Makes fire come down out of the heavens-(bombs-missiles)-- The 7 headed beast described--The one that was( league of nations) is not(done away with=death stroke) and yet is( united nations rose up= death stroke got healed)--like an eighth king in itself--but different.
The iron and clay actually means they rule not like thr roman empire did,( pure metal) but the ( people) under the metal and clay cannot be controlled like Rome did-thus protests and the such(clay) makes them have weakness. horns = kingdoms--2 horned beast= 2 kingdoms working together as the final world power. ( eagle-lion)---( cannot buy or sell may have future meaning for individuals)
No matter how it went it was called a death stroke. It no longer existed.
The power hasnt been given to the wild beast yet. Mexico sent the UN a statue, looks like what is described at Rev 13:2-- In its inscription-peace and security--is that the mark of the beast? 1Thess 5:3--whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them. See peace and security looks good to the mortal heart. But they cannot do it, only can try by sanctions and killing = suffering to people.
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Re: Good news
Post #40The Old Testament no longer controls our salvation.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:02 pmDoes Isaiah 11 sound like its in spiritual bodies=no.myth-one.com wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:38 pmI Corinthians 15:42-44kjw47 wrote: No where does it say to a spiritual life.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
Paul wrote the above verses which compares the physical human Christian body which dies a physical death and is buried to the new body in which deceased Christians will be resurrected.
The human body which is buried is corruptible, dishonored, weak, and a natural body. This is the physical body which is buried like a seed, or sown, when we die.
At the resurrection, Christians are raised up as incorruptible, glorified, powerful, spiritual bodies.
This is exactly what the above verses state!
Regarding the resurrected bodies of believers, Kjw47 claims that nowhere do the scriptures state that believers will be resurrected to a spiritual bodied life.
Kjw47, can you defend you claim against the inspired words of God which contradict your claim?
Thanks in advance.
Hebrews 8:6-7
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Under the New Testament Covenant those who believe in Jesus as their Savior receive everlasting spiritual bodied life when born again of God as spirits. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
You are still contradicting God's words by denying that believers will become angelic spiritual bodied beings.
Deceased Christian's are buried as physical bodied beings and resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodied beings.
The human body can live to about 120 years max.
Spiritual bodied beings live eternally.