The kingdom of God.

[Checkpoint]

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

[JehovahsWitness]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

Okay so a state is the condition (and the soul is the person) so ....to accomodate you (while still staying in the realm of understandable speech) the kingdom'of God is the condition people get into when they live in agreement with the teachings of Christ. Better?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1167]

It’s really quite remarkable that Jehovah’s Witnesses claim all translations false considering they have inserted YHWH 237 times in the NT. The Old Testament contains YHWH over 6,000 times, yet the Tetragrammaton never appears in the New Testament. It has not been found in a single ancient Greek New Testament manuscript.

Not to mention other words they have added such as “other” in Colossians 1:16-17.

NWT: “He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist.”

The word “other” is inserted four times in the NWT. It is not in the original Greek, nor is it implied.

The NWT is not a translation. It’s a paraphrase!!

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1167]

It’s really quite remarkable that Jehovah’s Witnesses claim all translations false ...

There is no such statement on any of our official websites and this is not an official teaching of the JEHOVAHS WITNESS religion. Indeed before we had our own translation, we printed The King James Version on our own presses. The Jehovahs Witness religion is not translation bound and we believe that religious truth can be found using ANY legitimate translation of the bible available. In many countries where their New World Translation is not available in the local language JW's use various translation in their meetings.

I am not a fan if misinformation.


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[MissKate13]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1167]

It’s really quite remarkable that Jehovah’s Witnesses claim all translations false ...

There is no such statement on any of our official websites and this is not an official teaching of the JEHOVAHS WITNESS religion. Indeed before we had our own translation, we printed The King James Version on our own presses. The Jehovahs Witness religion is not translation bound and we believe that religious truth can be found using ANY legitimate translation of the bible available. In many countries where their New World Translation is not available in the local language JW's use various translation in their meetings.
I am not a fan if misinformation.
JEHOVAHS WITNESS

Is Colossians 1:16-20, the NWT has added the word “other” four times. The word “other” is not found in a single extant Greek manuscript. Since you’re not a fan of misinformation, what are your thoughts about the intentional insertion of the word “other” into the NWT?

What about the NWT’s insertion of JEHOVAH into the New Testament 237 times, where it is not to be found in a single extant Greek manuscript anywhere in the world? I can’t think of a more egregious translation that the NWT. Since you are not a fan of misinformation, do you reject the NWT?;

The 2013 NWT claims to be a translation that is “faithful to the original texts.” This is a bold faced lie considering the above. It is anything but true to the original texts.

I am not a fan of misinformation. It is why I left Catholicism years ago. It seems to me that if you are no fan of misinformation, you would leave that body known as Jehovah’s Witnesses.

[AquinasForGod]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

Okay so a state is the condition (and the soul is the person) so ....to accomodate you (while still staying in the realm of understandable speech) the kingdom'of God is the condition people get into when they live in agreement with the teachings of Christ. Better?

That is better, yes.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1167]

It’s really quite remarkable that Jehovah’s Witnesses claim all translations false ...

There is no such statement on any of our official websites and this is not an official teaching of the JEHOVAHS WITNESS religion. Indeed before we had our own translation, we printed The King James Version on our own presses. The Jehovahs Witness religion is not translation bound and we believe that religious truth can be found using ANY legitimate translation of the bible available. In many countries where their New World Translation is not available in the local language JW's use various translation in their meetings.
I am not a fan if misinformation.
JEHOVAHS WITNESS

... What about the NWT’s {snip}

I am addressing a false insinuation that it is an official teaching that we reject all translations other than our own (and by implication that we refuse to use them); this is blatently false.

We preach publically from door to door and systematically invite people to go and fetch their their own bibles to read the passages we are highlighting. It is not unusual for our publications to quote various bible translatons. Indeed we have produced documentaries dedicated to the fine work of translators such as William Tyndale and others.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&do ... rcid=share

While there are many who themselves do what you are accusing us of doing, namely those that reject the New World Translation as false and not to be accepted by serious scholars, such people do well not to project their own "evil translation mentality" onto us. While we recognise all translaations are not equal and deplore the trend many modern day translators have of removing the divine name from their works, our profound respect for the word of God and how it has come to us means we do not reject any translation wholesale.

If you would like to discuss the merits and drawbacks of THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION or the place it accords to the Divine name, feel free to start another thread or join one that has already been started on that topic.


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[William]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

Okay so a state is the condition (and the soul is the person) so ....to accomodate you (while still staying in the realm of understandable speech) the kingdom'of God is the condition people get into when they live in agreement with the teachings of Christ. Better?

Is this to do with the idea that the Kingdom of YHVH is "within"? Luke 17:21 [KJV -]

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of YHVH should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of YHVH cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of YHVH is within you. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.

[JehovahsWitness]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

Okay so a state is the condition (and the soul is the person) so ....to accomodate you (while still staying in the realm of understandable speech) the kingdom'of God is the condition people get into when they live in agreement with the teachings of Christ. Better?

That is better, yes.

Good. You seem quite well read on Catholic teaching, do you have any direct quotes from official church sources stating words to this effect (in plain everyday English)? The vatican website or some other source?

Thanks


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

If you are in God’s kingdom, you are in His realm, and His realm is the church.

Ok. Thats clear enough....would you say the above applies to the future kingdom you refered to earlier?

A kingdom cannot exist without the following four elements: a king, subjects, laws, and realm/territory.

The Future eternal Kingdom will be in heaven.

In the FUTURE what will be the four elements you refer to above?

[1] king,
[2] subjects,
[3] laws
[4] realm/territory



JW

MissKate,


Returning to TOPIC I would still be interested in your views on the above.



JW

[MissKate13]

If you are in God’s kingdom, you are in His realm, and His realm is the church.

Ok. Thats clear enough....would you say the above applies to the future kingdom you refered to earlier?

A kingdom cannot exist without the following four elements: a king, subjects, laws, and realm/territory.

The Future eternal Kingdom will be in heaven.

In the FUTURE what will be the four elements you refer to above?

[1] king,
[2] subjects,
[3] laws
[4] realm/territory



JW

MissKate,


Returning to TOPIC I would still be interested in your views on the above.



JW

The future of the kingdom will be in heaven. We know the kingdom of our Savior, Jesus Christ, is here now (Colossians 1:13, Revelation 1:9). We know from Scripture that when Jesus comes again, He will deliver His present kingdom to God, the Father in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:24). The kingdom is spiritual now and will be in the future.

There can be no question that the saved will be subject to the the will of YHWH in the kingdom of heaven.

^The statement above^ sums up King, subjects, laws, and realm.

Hope it helps!