The kingdom of God.

[Checkpoint]

Some seem to think it is entirely future, while others give the impression they are always thinking of it as present, and to not be looking at the future in kingdom terms at all.

Jesus had much to say about the kingdom, including this:

Luke 16:

6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.

So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?

On what basis?

According to which scriptures?

[JehovahsWitness]

But I did state what it is in reality. It is a state of being, like how JOY is a state of being.

But joy isn't a state of being , joy is (in normal everyday non-religious speak) an EMOTION. And emotions are feelings. But you claim the kingdom is not a feeling in one's heart.

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

But what does that mean... if you were to say that to someone out the street "the kingdom of God is a state of the soul", I assure you most would not have a clue what you'were talking about, ( not least because they could not define what a soul *IS* )it would not have any meaning. Do you mean the kingdom of God is how people will be after they die? What does "kingdom of God is a state of the soul" mean?

[JehovahsWitness]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

...God incarnating as our king.

... to have Christ in our hearts...

Unless you mean Christ is literally living in our chests you must be equating the kingdom with a feeling, a condition or a mental disposition. No? ... if its inside of'us what else can it be, its not a seperate entity, its part of our conditon. Or do you mean its a Christian's relationship with God ? Is that what you think the kingdom is. ... a relationship ?

[JehovahsWitness]

Can we agree that when Christ comes again, He will deliver said Kingdom to God the Father?

But a kingdom cannot exist without the following four elements: a king, subjects, laws, and realm/territory. how will these be delivered to the Father ?

God’s Kingdom is His rule or reign.

[MissKate13]

But I did state what it is in reality. It is a state of being, like how JOY is a state of being.

But joy isn't a state of being , joy is (in normal everyday non-religious speak) an EMOTION. And emotions are feelings. But you claim the kingdom is not a feeling in one's heart.

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

But what does that mean... if you were to say that to someone out the street "the kingdom of God is a state of the soul", I assure you most would not have a clue what you'were talking about, ( not least because they could not define what a soul *IS* )it would not have any meaning. Do you mean the kingdom of God is how people will be after they die? What does "kingdom of God is a state of the soul" mean?

The kingdom of God is not the state of the soul. It is the place of the soul. If you are in God’s kingdom, you are in His realm, and His realm is the church.

[AquinasForGod]

But I did state what it is in reality. It is a state of being, like how JOY is a state of being.

But joy isn't a state of being , joy is (in normal everyday non-religious speak) an EMOTION. And emotions are feelings. But you claim the kingdom is not a feeling in one's heart.

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

But what does that mean... if you were to say that to someone out the street "the kingdom of God is a state of the soul", I assure you most would not have a clue what you'were talking about, ( not least because they could not define what a soul *IS* )it would not have any meaning. Do you mean the kingdom of God is how people will be after they die? What does "kingdom of God is a state of the soul" mean?

Emotions are a state of being. What else would they be? A non-state of being? A state of being means you as a being are existing in a particular state, such as in a state of joy.

I have never ran into someone that doesn't understand what "a state of being" is. It can refer to your state of existence physical or mental.

For example in this snippet from Master the Art of Business

A State of Being is a quality of your present experience.

States of Being are qualities, not Goals. “Being happy” is not an achievement, it’s a state.

A spiritual state involves the state of the soul. When we say Christ dwells in us, we do not mean the body of Christ as they makes no sense, so it is the spirit/soul. The kingdom dwelling in us is obviously not a physical place.

[AquinasForGod]

But I did state what it is in reality. It is a state of being, like how JOY is a state of being.

But joy isn't a state of being , joy is (in normal everyday non-religious speak) an EMOTION. And emotions are feelings. But you claim the kingdom is not a feeling in one's heart.

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

But what does that mean... if you were to say that to someone out the street "the kingdom of God is a state of the soul", I assure you most would not have a clue what you'were talking about, ( not least because they could not define what a soul *IS* )it would not have any meaning. Do you mean the kingdom of God is how people will be after they die? What does "kingdom of God is a state of the soul" mean?

The kingdom of God is not the state of the soul. It is the place of the soul. If you are in God’s kingdom, you are in His realm, and His realm is the church.

Then you must believe souls occupy space, which Aquinas explains is not true. A soul is a metaphysical being and doesn't occupy space any more than numbers do.

[Revelations won]

Dear KJW47,

You said:

“There are no originals left, thus catholicism translating was all that remained for the NT. All translations translated from that. All the errors carried over into most translations. But God assured truth would become abundant in these last days( Daniel 12:4)--The only way that could occur is by leading a translation translators by holy spirit, guiding them into all truth. Thus they corrected the altered and error filled translations used for centuries. Rejected by all using those error filled translations. Thus all are putting their eternal lives into either Catholicism translating or JW translating. The difference is as follows--- Wicked men bysatans will removed Gods personal name in the OT in nearly 6800 spots, replaced with titles-GOD or LORD all capitols-YHWH(Jehovah) belongs in those spots. The OT is quoted in the NT about 200 places where the name belongs as well, replaced with Lord. Thus when Jesus is called Lord, all think LORD in the OT is him, but they are wrong, LORD does not belong there YHWH does. Every Scholar on earth knows its fact. Its done by satans will to mislead one into not entering Gods kingdom. So The JW translators put Gods name back, and corrected the errors by guidance of holy spirit--Condemned by every clergy on earth, who would rather support satans will with the removal of Gods name rather than admit their errors. God inspired his name nearly 7000 places because he wants it there. Only the darkness would condemn ones who put Gods name back where he wants it out of Love and respect for Gods will. The new world translation is that bible.
In 1822 a Greek Scholar named A.Kneeland translated the NT, he compared Greek to Enlish side by side to prove to the world a god small g is correct in the last line at John 1:1, 19 other translations did the same. 3 had was divine--all rejected by trinity clergys because that fact proves they are false religions.”

My response:

I find it a bit amazing that you JW’s claim that ll other translations of the OT and NT are done by wicked men who acted under satans will and you state that all other religions are proven to be false.

Who placed you to be judge and jury to pronounce all other religions and bible translations to be false?

Wherin has God pronunced Mr. A. Kneeland to be the sole divinely approved Bible translator? On what date has this been given and what are the details??

At this point all I see is your doctrine is solely the fruit of private interpretation from your scholars.

Best regards,
RW

[Revelations won]

To all respondents,

Daniel 2:
27
Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28
But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29
As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
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But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
31
Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
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This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
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His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
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Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
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Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
36
This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
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Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
38
And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
39
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
40
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
41
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
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And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Note: in verse 44 above we observe the following:

1. The dream covers a vast range of the future history of the earth.

2. Not until all these other kingdoms have risen and fallen shall (not man), but the God of heaven will set up a kingdom.

3. This kingdom which God will set up shall never be destroyedestroyed.

4. According to the scripture this kingdom will not be set up until the latter days.

5. This kingdom will be very small to start with, but will exponentially grow.

6. As the Lord revealed unto the prophet Amos “Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secretl unto his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7)

7. It is therefore obvious that God will reveal his works unto his proper.

8. Accordingly the setting up of this kingdom will require revelation from God.

9. It is obvious that the kingdom which God will set up “shall never be destroyed”

10. Further this kingdom “shall not be left to other people”

11. Additionally this kingdom “shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms”. How will this be done???

12. And further this kingdom “shall stand for ever”

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Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
46

47
The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Can anyone meet these. 12 challenges relating to this kingdom set up by God?

If so lets hear your clear evidence and revealed details.

Best regards,
RW

[JehovahsWitness]

... the kingdom of God is a state of the soul.

The kingdom of God is not the state of the soul....

I see. Well you'll have to take that up with Aquinas who seems to have an objection to equating the kingdom with any kind of rulership on God's part.

[JehovahsWitness]

If you are in God’s kingdom, you are in His realm, and His realm is the church.

Ok. Thats clear enough....would you say the above applies to the future kingdom you refered to earlier?

A kingdom cannot exist without the following four elements: a king, subjects, laws, and realm/territory.

The Future eternal Kingdom will be in heaven.

In the FUTURE what will be the four elements you refer to above?

[1] king,
[2] subjects,
[3] laws
[4] realm/territory



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