Jesus prediction to return

[Rose2020]

Matthew 16 , verses 24 to 28.

In verse 28 Jesus says He will return within the lifetime of that generation. But that has not happened. What do we make of this?

[wannabe]

Just my opinion Rose:

The generation Jesus speaks of (M 24:34) is the generation of the Christian faith.
He is in closed quarters addressing the disciples about a future outcome , of what they (he and his disciples ), helped create (generated).

( creating a church ) They were the generating force of Christianity.
Jesus knew this , he is the spearhead , (the point of Christianity).

To understand the generation Jesus speaks of , is to consider the lives of all who have found faith.

This tends to plug the hole in the generation gap. ( that is the difference between the then and now )

[myth-one.com]

And, you're still left to explain the other mistaken verses:

CJB
Yes! I tell you that this people will certainly not pass away before all these things happen.

ERV
I assure you that all these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.

GNT
Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

ICB
I tell you the truth. All these things will happen while the people of this time are still living!

NIRV
What I’m about to tell you is true. The people living now will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

NLV
For sure, I tell you, the people of this day will not pass away before all these things have happened.

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Matthew 24:33-34
So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Death: the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

Two "deaths" are defined by the Bible, the first and the second death.

But everyone who dies their appointed first "death" will be resurrected back to life. Since they will be resurrected back to life, they are not truly dead because death is permanent.

Therefore, the first death is often spoken of as sleep, slumber, or rest in the scriptures. Thus, the often used tombstone words "Rest in Peace."

Since every human ever born is either awake or resting in their grave awaiting their awakening, no one has ever truly passed away. So probably all generations will be alive when all the signs and the Second Coming occur.

Those who will eventually pass away will be those who suffer their second death after being judged and not having their names written in the Book of Life. They will never live again.

[Miles]

And, you're still left to explain the other mistaken verses:

CJB
Yes! I tell you that this people will certainly not pass away before all these things happen.

ERV
I assure you that all these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.

GNT
Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

ICB
I tell you the truth. All these things will happen while the people of this time are still living!

NIRV
What I’m about to tell you is true. The people living now will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

NLV
For sure, I tell you, the people of this day will not pass away before all these things have happened.

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Matthew 24:33-34
So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Death: the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an animal or plant.

Two "deaths" are defined by the Bible, the first and the second death.

But everyone who dies their appointed first "death" will be resurrected back to life. Since they will be resurrected back to life, they are not truly dead because death is permanent.

Therefore, the first death is often spoken of as sleep, slumber, or rest in the scriptures. Thus, the often used tombstone words "Rest in Peace."

Since every human ever born is either awake or resting in their grave awaiting their awakening, no one has ever truly passed away. So probably all generations will be alive when all the signs and the Second Coming occur.

Those who will eventually pass away will be those who suffer their second death after being judged and not having their names written in the Book of Life. They will never live again.

I absolutely fail to see what this has to do with the verses I cited? It's almost as if you've posted a reply meant for some other thread. A possibility perhaps?

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[myth-one.com]

I absolutely fail to see what this has to do with the verses I cited? It's almost as if you've posted a reply meant for some other thread. A possibility perhaps?.

I thought your purpose in citing all of those verses was to prove that Jesus claimed that those He was conversing with at that time would be alive during the signs of the second coming, and the second coming itself.

I showed that from God's perspective, every human ever born is either awake or resting in their grave awaiting their awakening. So that no one has ever truly passed away. So in that sense, every generation will be alive when all the signs and the Second Coming occur.

[Miles]

I absolutely fail to see what this has to do with the verses I cited? It's almost as if you've posted a reply meant for some other thread. A possibility perhaps?.

I thought your purpose in citing all of those verses was to prove that Jesus claimed that those He was conversing with at that time would be alive during the signs of the second coming, and the second coming itself.

Indeed it is.

I showed that from God's perspective, every human ever born is either awake or resting in their grave awaiting their awakening. So that no one has ever truly passed away. So in that sense, every generation will be alive when all the signs and the Second Coming occur.

Boy, this exceeds moving the goal posts by a long shot. So sorry, but if you want to change subjects talk to someone else. I'm not interested.

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[Avoice]

Jesus failed as the messiah. All that was left was to say he’d be back. Yeah? Then any one could say they are the messiah.

And just why hasn’t he come back?
Well, what a coincidence… something else the Jews get blamed for . Yeah, it’s the Jews holding up the show. Jesus won’t be back unless the Jews accept him as messiah. What a clever excuse for a false religion.
I got news for you.. we will never accept him. So you will wait an eternity. It’s already been two thousand years. If the church wants to put it on us then so be it. But I promise you right now he won’t come back not unless I accept him. That will never happen.

[1213]

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And just why hasn’t he come back?
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This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Matt. 24:14

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to Rose2020 in post #1]

This is why I said church history and the church fathers is important. How did the early church understand the bible?

24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life[g] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

There were some standing there that did not taste of death until they saw Jesus coming in his kingdom. This happened when Jesus transfigured himself on the mountain. This takes understanding what the church says the kingdom means.

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

I don't want to go deep into it here as it is too much typing, but here is a link for some more - https://www.catholic.com/magazine/onli ... ing-failed

And this page from Aquinas on Math 16 shows what different church fathers said - https://isidore.co/aquinas/english/CAMatthew.htm#16

[Avoice]

[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #3]

Claim to know the mysteries, huh?
Well, he is telling the truth about that.

He also made the remark: I go my my way and none of you ask where I am going. Christians really don’t pay attention to what Jesus says. You are following an unknown entity into who knows where.
Jesus also said the words he speaks are not his and he didn’t come to do his will. So all those glorious speeches that sound so eloquent and heavenly that’s not your savior. You have no clue what is on his mind. But dying to save you wasn’t his idea. He even said so remember ? NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS.
Christians have no idea who their lord is. They are just mesmerized by his words. But that’s not their lord.
Remember Jesus told you about the parable of the sheep. How the sheep won’t follow a strangers voice. But they will feel plow they voice if they think it’s their masters voice. Then Jesus tells how once all the sheep are through the gate it is shut snd there is no getting back out.

So… Christians… you’ve been told the words Jesus speaks are not his and that you dont know where he is going.
Go ahead… follow that voice that. When you all get through the gate is shut you’ll find out who your lord is. Who is Jesus? Well, it says he has power over unclean spirits. NOT clean. Unclean. And who said they actually knew who he was ? Legion did . The one with many devils.
Power over the unclean huh?

You have been fooled on account of your greatest desire - to live forever. That’s the hook that got you. The greatest temptation was your downfall. Didn’t you read genesis ? The serpent promised eternal life too. It’s the oldest trick in the book. Adam and Eve didn’t have hindsight. But you…? You can see that the adversary will promise eternal life and off you go… following who knows who into who knows where . And it’s all because you don’t want to die. AND YOUVE EVEN BEEN TOLD THAT THOSE WHO THINK TO SAVE THEIR OWN LIFE WILL LOSE IT. You can’t get past that promise of eternal life. Go agead… follow your lord who has power over the unclean. It’s not like he hasn’t been honest. You just aren’t hearing him.

[Avoice]

[Replying to AquinasForGod in post #28]

Take up his cross? You think he said that huh?
When Jesus supposedly said that his disciples would NIT have understood it. Why? Because Jesus hadn’t mentioned he was going to die. No where in scripture dies it say the messiah will die. That’s why when Jesus announced it peter said No. this shall not be unto thee.

So telling them to pick up their crosses meant nothing to them. That’s if he even said it