WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BELIEVE IN JESUS?

[Eddie Ramos]

Throughout the vast religions of the world, most of them acknowledge Jesus Christ as having something to do with God. In other words, they all say that they believe in Jesus, but what exactly do they believe about Jesus? This is where the division comes in. Some believe that Jesus was just a good teacher, but not the son of God. Yet others believe that Jesus was the son of God, but not God himself. And still others believe that Jesus was God in the flesh. But all of these believe in Jesus. Does that mean that they are all saved? Not at all. When the Bible says that we must believe in Jesus, there is actually something very specific that God has in mind.

John 8:24 (KJV 1900)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins.

The Word of God tells us that believing in Jesus is to believe that he is I AM, meaning , JEHOVAH in the flesh. And because God has written the Bible in the form of parables (to conceal truth), the casual reader who approaches the Bible as a plain textbook, is left extremely confused as to who one is versus the other. And so, they say they believe in Jesus, yet they actually don't truly believe the way the Bible requires it. They reject that Jesus is God in the flesh. And by doing so, they remain dead their sins as per John 8:24.

I will be defending the truth of the scriptures that teach that Jesus is JEHOVAH in the flesh, and that true belief in Jesus, means to believe that he is indeed JEHOVAH in the flesh. If anyone objects this position, I will respond with the Bible to whatever scriptures you provide.

What do you think it means, according to the Bible, to believe in Jesus?

[Miles]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

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[kjw47]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

[Miles]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

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[kjw47]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

.

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

[William]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #34]

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

The ripple effect of one culture [Roman/Greek] hijacking another cultures beliefs [Hebrew] through the telling of a story...

[Miles]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

.

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

I assume "apostocised" is your own cognate of "apostasy," which the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines as

apostasy noun
apos·​ta·​sy | \ ə-ˈpä-stə-sē
plural apostasies
Definition of apostasy

.....1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
.....2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection

and seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.

Yes?


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[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #34]

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

The ripple effect of one culture [Roman/Greek] hijacking another cultures beliefs [Hebrew] through the telling of a story...

Not a story, a factual occurence

[kjw47]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

.

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

I assume "apostocised" is your own cognate of "apostasy," which the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines as

apostasy noun
apos·​ta·​sy | \ ə-ˈpä-stə-sē
plural apostasies
Definition of apostasy

.....1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
.....2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection

and seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.

Yes?


.

Actually the words of Jesus assures the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. He tells them off at Matt 23, then in verse 38 assures them they are cut off, but God left the door open to them in verse 39, they have outright refused to do 39 for over 1950 years. A new religion began, the pharisees saw it begin-Acts 24:5--It wasnt the religion that came out of Rome.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

.

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

I assume "apostocised" is your own cognate of "apostasy," which the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines as

apostasy noun
apos·​ta·​sy | \ ə-ˈpä-stə-sē
plural apostasies
Definition of apostasy

.....1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
.....2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection

and seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.

Yes?


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When Jesus showed up he followed the Jewish faith to the letter, and he taught his disciples to do so as well. His faith was not a "new" religion---it was a continuation of the Jewish faith according to the Scriptures. The Jewish leaders of that time did not follow the Scriptural pattern of true faith in Jehovah, and didn't accept the Messiah that was promised in their own Scriptures, from Genesis on. THEY were apostate. The Christians carried on what the Old Testament taught about God and the Messiah. The Jews refused. Jehovah turned from them (as his chosen people) to the Christian congregation, as Jesus stated (Matthew 21:43) and Peter reiterated (I Peter 2:9,10).

[Miles]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #28]


Yes believe i am he = The one sent by God, the Messiah. The Israelite scholars of the day would not believe it.
They rejected him.

As do the "Israelite scholars" of today.

.

Yes still today, the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. Jesus told them off in Matt 23, told them they were cut off in verse 38 unless they did verse 39--they have outright refused for over 1950 years.
But they knew that the one being sent to them by God was not God, but that he had a God-Psalm 45:7- the apostles and followers knew that fact as well after. Thus they did not bow in worship( as some translations have that error) to one who has a God, they bowed in obesiance to Gods appointed king. That Greek word-Proskenaue( spelled wrong) translates-to bow and kiss the feet-From Greek to English carried 5 different meanings- 1) Worship to God-2) Obesiance to a king-3) Honor to a judge-plus 2 others. Obesiance is the correct usage for the Messiah.
They knew as well the term-one like the son of man( Daniel 7:13-15) meant--one who was created --was given a kingship from the ancient of days( God=YHWH) --Only the Messiah was given a kingship.

Do you think they really care what, to them is a pseudomessiah, says? I don't. I think Jews pretty much snicker at the Christian claim.

.

Yes sadly for them, they were apostocised when Jesus came, they reasoned falsely that the Messiah was coming as a mighty king to destroy the Romans. A carpenters son shows up. They are apostocised to this day. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

I assume "apostocised" is your own cognate of "apostasy," which the Merriam Webster Dictionary defines as

apostasy noun
apos·​ta·​sy | \ ə-ˈpä-stə-sē
plural apostasies
Definition of apostasy

.....1 : an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
.....2 : abandonment of a previous loyalty : defection

and seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.

Yes?


.

Actually the words of Jesus assures the Israelite religion is cut off of being Gods chosen-Matt 23:38-39. He tells them off at Matt 23, then in verse 38 assures them they are cut off, but God left the door open to them in verse 39, they have outright refused to do 39 for over 1950 years. A new religion began, the pharisees saw it begin-Acts 24:5--It wasnt the religion that came out of Rome.

Here, Let me ask you again.

(apostasy) seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.

Yes?

Should be unable to give a direct answer I'll take it that you agree: Yes, apostasy seems better applied to Christians who, refusing to continue to follow the Jewish faith, started their own. They abandoned a previous loyalty. So it was the Christians who were "apostocised," not the Jews.


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