WHO ARE THE ELECT?

[Eddie Ramos]

[myth-one.com]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

[Eddie Ramos]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

You are assuming that "whosoever believeth" means that anyone can believe. And that is incorrect because it doesn't harmonize with the scriptures as a whole. How do you harmonize John 3:16 with John 1:12-13?

John 1:12-13 (KJV) 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born (meaning born again), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

You believe that John 3:16 means that anyone can of their own will believe and be saved, yet here it says the opposite. It says that those who have received Christ, did so, not by their own will, but by God's will.

James 1:18 (KJV) 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 3:16 therefore is speaking of the "whosoever believeth" as those who were born again (begat) by the will of God and not by our own will.

I await your reply to my one question in this post before you change subjects and ignore the scriptures. Else there's no point in continuing. Thanks.

[Miles]

[Eddie Ramos]

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Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

Those who are righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

[myth-one.com]

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So the "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

As Eddie Ramos has pointed out, "elect" is the English word for the Greek "eklektos."

Good for Eddie. I appreciate that.

So there's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN.

Nope, that's the one thing which one must do to become an heir unto everlasting life.

Election in Christianity involves God choosing a particular person or group of people to a particular task or relationship, especially eternal life.

The group which God chooses to gain everlasting life are those that believeth in Jesus as their Savior.

If you pick the most despicable, hated, vulgar, obnoxious human to ever live, and he or she accepts and believes in Jesus as their Savior, then God cannot possibly refuse everlasting life to that individual -- even if He wanted to. Adolf Hitler could gain everlasting life by believing in Jesus.

God is tied to His covenants and must abide by them because He cannot lie.

The elect are "whosoever believeth."

[Brightfame52]

[Brightfame52]

eddie ramos

You are assuming that "whosoever believeth" means that anyone can believe. And that is incorrect because it doesn't harmonize with the scriptures as a whole. How do you harmonize John 3:16 with John 1:12-13?

John 1:12-13 (KJV) 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born (meaning born again), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Yes indeed, men must be and are born of God in order to believe. Thats the order in 2 Thess 2:13 sanctification of the Spirit is nothing less than the New Birth and its properties, leading to the belief of the Truth as a result of the call of the Gospel.

Also 1 Jn 5:1

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

The words " is born of God" are in the perfect tense, having in the past been born of God resulting in believing in the present. The ones believing in Christ , the Truth about Christ, the True Christ and not a phoney false christ, give evidence of having been born of God. Believing and Loving our brethren are the fruit and not the cause of Salvation ! Jn 1:12-13 is a solid reference of the same !

[Brightfame52]

eddie ram

This also makes salvation equal all across the board for everyone. For men, women, children, mentally handicapped, infants, fetuses, etc.

Could you elaborate a little on this statement please ?