Jesus is God and Why !

[Brightfame52]

Matt 19:16-26

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! Notice vs 17 As the young man had addressed Jesus as good, and Jesus responded accordingly, why callest thou me good, for none is good but ONE, that One Being God

Now , notice Jesus did not say, none is good but One and that is my Father, but He said that One, Being God !

Now if Jesus by this is not insinuating that He is God, then the alternative is that He was not good, seeing He just said only ONE, not Two, but ONLY ONE is good.

Now, if Jesus was not good, being that He was not the Only One Good God, then His commanding him, the young ruler, in order to be perfect, that he must go sell all his possessions, then give to the poor, and follow Him; Such an commandment exposed that the young man loved his possessions above God, which was a violation of the very first commandment, now if Jesus was not God, then the young mans refusal to obey and follow Jesus, could not be a proper standard to gauge his Love to God !

For there could not have been nothing amiss about not making such a great sacrifice as that Jesus told him, and then following Him if the One speaking was not the One God, who Only was good !

[Brightfame52]

So you dont believe God can do something that He did do. He became a Man and died for the sins of His People.

Who are you claiming died for your sins -- God or Jesus?

Now dont be scared to answer me this. Do you believe God can become a Man and die ? Yes or No

[myth-one.com]

So you dont believe God can do something that He did do. He became a Man and died for the sins of His People.

Who are you claiming died for your sins -- God or Jesus?

Now dont be scared to answer me this. Do you believe God can become a Man and die ? Yes or No

God can be made flesh as a man, and that man can die!

But God cannot die.

Now answer my question to you:

Who are you claiming died for your sins -- God or Jesus?

[Brightfame52]

mythone

God can be made flesh as a man, and that man can die!

My point exactly. Thats what God became in Christ Jesus, a Man who is God, and He died for the sins of His People. Did God in essence die as God ? No, but did a Man die who is God ? Absolutely Yes ! Take a picture of this post. Its very simple, God died as the Man Christ Jesus So if one says God died without clarification, thats error, but if one says God died as He became the Man Christ Jesus, thats acceptable. And so Jesus is God !

[myth-one.com]

mythone

God can be made flesh as a man, and that man can die!

My point exactly. Thats what God became in Christ Jesus, a Man who is God, and He died for the sins of His People. Did God in essence die as God ? No, but did a Man die who is God ? Absolutely Yes ! Take a picture of this post. Its very simple, God died as the Man Christ Jesus So if one says God died without clarification, thats error, but if one says God died as He became the Man Christ Jesus, thats acceptable. And so Jesus is God !

Good post. It contains so many errors, let me just itemize a few of them:

1 - No man is a God. Jesus was not a God. All living beings fall into one of two possible body types -- natural or spiritual bodies.

2 - God cannot die as you claim.

3 - Jesus was created for a purpose, which you refuse to consider or understand. His reason for existing was to free mankind from the original covenant between man and God. There are two parties to a covenant, the benefactor and the beneficiaries.

4 - The two parties of the biblical covenant are God and man.

5 - If your fictional God/man hybrid did exist, he would not even be a party to the covenant.

6 -- Being even more specific, Jesus had to be born into a special subset of man, as the first covenant between God and man was between God and the nation of Israel.

Let me just pause here and pray that you might choose to actually respond to these few problems with your good clear post.

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In summary at this point, your God/man Jesus is not even a party to the faulty covenant which He was sent to fix. He was made a man/God for the purpose of tasting death. But He cannot die as He is a God. And the man part of Him is appointed to die because He is a man, but He cannot die because the God part of Him is immortal. Being a man/god makes Him totally unfit to complete His mission.

What's His first step from this point?

[Brightfame52]

Dan 7:13-14- Son of Man is also God !

Dan 7:13-14

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

We know that Jesus Christ, the Son of Man is also God because of the Everlasting Kingdom given Him, one in which all people shall serve Him ! The word serve here is the word pĕlach (Aramaic) and means:


to serve, worship, revere, minister for, pay reverence to

a) (P'al)

1) to pay reverence to

2) to serve

This word to serve means to Worship Him and its NT equivalent would be the word latreuō which is the word worship 3 times !

And this Son of Man's Dominion given Him is Everlasting, which is also Parallel to that of God Most High Only in Dan 7:27

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Also Dan 4:34

34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

Yes, the Son of Man in His Deity, is the Most High God ! It could not be made more plainer from these text considerations ! There is only One Everlasting Dominion and Kingdom and that is Christ's !

2 Pet 1:11

For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


In the greek it is The Everlasting Kingdom of Our Lord, the definite Article indicating that it is only one Everlasting Kingdom ! And its the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Most High God/ Man ! 16

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Brightfame52 in post #15]

Daniel was dreaming.

Your "God/man Jesus" (described in your Post #12) is not even a party to the faulty covenant which He was sent to fix. He was made a man/God for the purpose of tasting death. But He cannot die as He is a God. And the man part of Him is appointed to die because He is a man, but He cannot die because the God part of Him is immortal. Being a man/god makes Him totally unfit to complete His mission.

Since you've created Him as a God/man unfit for the purpose of dying, what's His first step from this point?

[We_Are_VENOM]

I think that is a wrong interpretation, because Jesus says that there is only one true God This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

There is only one true God...and this "God" consists of three persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

It would be like saying there is only one true U.S. Military, which consists of five branches; the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Airforce, and the Coast Guard.

Now, I know that is a difficult concept for JW's to accept, but I am here to help.

that is greater than him.

Greater by position, not by nature/essence.

Again, this is another difficult concept for JW's to accept....but I am here to help.

Which is also confirmed by Paul who says:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

"For there is one US military, and one mediator between the US military and foreign militaries, the branch of the ARMY (assuming the ARMY is appointed as mediator)."

Guess what; the statement can be made without excluding the ARMY as part of the one US military.

But respectfully, I can understand why one would gain such an interpretation (on your part).

What Paul is stating is that there is one Father, and one mediator between the Father and man; Jesus Christ.

[1213]

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There is only one true God...and this "God" consists of three persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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The biggest problem with that is, it is not Biblical teaching, it is not what God or Jesus tells in the Bible.

[We_Are_VENOM]

The biggest problem with that is, it is not Biblical teaching, it is not what God or Jesus tells in the Bible.

That is what separates Trinitarians from non-Trinitarians, now isn't it?

[myth-one.com]

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There is only one true God...and this "God" consists of three persons; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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The biggest problem with that is, it is not Biblical teaching, it is not what God or Jesus tells in the Bible.

I agree, 1213. Throughout the Bible, Jesus Christ is addressed as the Son of God, the Savior, the Lamb of God, Teacher, and other names. The Holy Ghost is also called the Holy Spirit and Comforter. God is generally spoken of as God, God the Father, or simply Father. That is, all three are referred to as individual beings.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The phrase, "and these three are one," can have a completely different meaning than presently believed.

These verses could simply indicate that all three beings are one in agreement and purpose.

Remember that the archangel Lucifer and other angels rebelled against God:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!... For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God... I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

The Son of God and the Holy Spirit never questioned God the Father's authority! Therefore, all three are in agreement as one being as to their plans and goals. That is, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in agreement and purpose.

All three understand the plan being worked to bring the earth back into the Kingdom of God.

Thus they are three separate beings with common goals.

A team.