To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".
Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?
What does the atonement do or does not do?
What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?
What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?
Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?
I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.
Kind regards,
RW
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Re: The Atonement
Post #131JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:11 am HOW COULD ANGELS WHO WERE NOT CREATED TO REPORDUCE SEXUALLY LUST AFTER WOMEN?
Some people mistakenly believe that "sons of God" in the above verses refers to angels.Genesis 6:1-3 wrote:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
But that is incorrect.
Note that the sons of God took the fair daughters of men as WIVES!
Wives implies that the sons of God MARRIED the daughters of men.
Since the sons of God married the fair daughters of men, then the sons of God cannot possibly be angels because angels do not marry. Referring to humans who will be born again as spirits at the Second Coming, Jesus states:
Mark 12:25 wrote:For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
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To summarize:
- The sons of God in Genesis 6 married the daughters of men.
- But angels do not marry anyone.
- Therefore, the sons of God in Genesis chapter 6 cannot be referring to angels.
Also, Genesis 6:3 implies that God became impatient with man over this behavior -- not the angels:
Genesis 6:3 wrote:And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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Re: The Atonement
Post #132[Replying to myth-one.com in post #128]
Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.
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Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.
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Post #133onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:18 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #128]
Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.
Can angels marry?In Mark 12:25, Mark quoted Jesus when he wrote:
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
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Post #134myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:45 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:18 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #128]
Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.Can angels marry?In Mark 12:25, Mark quoted Jesus when he wrote:
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Did Jeus say they cannot? Or did he say do not?
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Post #135He said "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage."JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:04 pmmyth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:45 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:18 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #128]
Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.Can angels marry?In Mark 12:25, Mark quoted Jesus when he wrote:
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Did Jeus say they cannot? Or did he say do not?
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Post #136Did Jesus say the word "cannot"? Yes or no? The word begins with the letter C- is there a word that begins with the letter C- in that sentence?myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:43 pm He said "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage."
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Post #137I am not sure if Jesus ever said "cannot."JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:11 pmDid Jesus say the word "cannot"? Yes or no?myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:43 pm He said "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage."[/size]
You can go to one of the online Bible websites and search for that word and Jesus.
Yes, "cannot" begins with the letter "c". But note that it is a lower case "c" and not the upper case "C".
I do not see any?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:11 pm- is there a word that begins with the letter C- in that sentence?
Is that somehow important to you?
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Post #138Yes, Jesus can speak for himself he did not say angels "cannot" marry and I have no interest in you or anyone else putting words in the Lord's mouth if that was the intention of your question.
Well, Jesus did not say they can't marry.
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Post #139They can go entirely against what God has assigned them to be and do all kinds of things to give Him the finger, just like a man having sex with a goat..myth-one.com wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:45 pmonewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:18 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #128]
Post number 129 also states the gist of my posts. Please consider JW's explanation there, as well. That is exactly what I am trying to get across. The angels could pervert their normal state, just like humans who have sex with an animal do. It's not normal for them to do so, it's not God's accepted way of doing things, but they do it anyway.Can angels marry?In Mark 12:25, Mark quoted Jesus when he wrote:
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
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Post #140Angels cannot reproduce their kind -- as man can.Regarding angels, onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:40 pm They can go entirely against what God has assigned them to be and do all kinds of things to give Him the finger, just like a man having sex with a goat..
And they are created immortal, so they cannot die.