Is there a new heaven and a new earth coming?

[Wootah]

A New Heaven and a New Earth
Revelation 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

More quotes taken from: https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... earth.html

Isaiah 65:17-19 - “See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.”

2 Peter 3:13 – “But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.”

Revelation 21:1 – “Then I saw ‘a new heaven and a new earth,’ for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.”

Isaiah 66:22 - “‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure.’”

Is there a new heaven and a new earth coming?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #30]

We know it is literally SOON, in our time frame, because of Biblical chronology, as I have specifically mentioned in recent past. The immense image of Daniel chapter 2 shows us where we are in the stream of time and that we will see the crushing of the image, as it were, and the institution of God's own government by Christ.

Look up Immense Image of Daniel 2 on Google or Yahoo and you will see what I'm talking about. The stone that comes out of the mountain is God's Kingdom, and it crushes all the other kingdoms. This happens when the nations are "in the feet" position. The dominant world power is the dual world power of Britain and the United States. This is slipping, as we can see the tendency already in the news, so the end is imminent.

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[William]

[Replying to William in post #30]

We know it is literally SOON, in our time frame, because of Biblical chronology, as I have specifically mentioned in recent past. The immense image of Daniel chapter 2 show us where we are in the stream of time and that we will see the crushing of the image, as it were, and the institution of God's own government by Christ.

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So you say.

But what do you give us as a way to support your predictions re "literally SOON"? A timeframe would be handy.

Something which can positively set you above suspicion re the advice to the beloved to believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

How would you suggest we 'try the spirit" in relation to your proclamation?

For example, by your being more specific than "literally SOON" say - in offering a month or year when this will happen, we can then ascertain whether you were true or false.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #25]





Checkpoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:01 am

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon. Christ and his "new" governmental system will destroy the old powers that control the world at Harmageddon and thereafter rule for 1000 years (Eph 6:12)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

Yes, it will happen when Christ returns.

However, that happening is after the 1000 years are completed(20:7), not at their commencement.

Jesus said that (our present) "heaven and earth shall pass away"(Matthew 24:35). This is what must happen first, as described in 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Revelation 20:11 and 21:1.

What it will be like is found in Revelation 21 and 22, not in Revelation 20.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #25]





Checkpoint wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 12:01 am

That is, will happen at the return of Christ, or 1000 years later?

The new heaven and new earth happen when Christ returns in Kingdom power. No one knows the day or the hour of this event but there is good reason to believe it will be very soon. Christ and his "new" governmental system will destroy the old powers that control the world at Harmageddon and thereafter rule for 1000 years (Eph 6:12)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

.... that happening is after the 1000 years are completed(20:7), not at their commencement.

At Armageddon, all wicked humans will be killed off. Thus a new human society ("new earth") will come into order.

All human governments and the demonic powers behind them will also be destroyed and Jesus and his 144,000 governmental Ministers will be the only ruling power ("new heavens"). Satan however will not be destroyed at this time but cast into a deep abyss (condition of restriction) for the duration of the millenium 1000 years of Christs rule.




JW

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #30]

We know it is literally SOON, in our time frame, because of Biblical chronology, as I have specifically mentioned in recent past. The immense image of Daniel chapter 2 show us where we are in the stream of time and that we will see the crushing of the image, as it were, and the institution of God's own government by Christ.

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So you say.

But what do you give us as a way to support your predictions re "literally SOON"? A timeframe would be handy.

Something which can positively set you above suspicion re the advice to the beloved to believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

How would you suggest we 'try the spirit" in relation to your proclamation?

For example, by your being more specific than "literally SOON" say - in offering a month or year when this will happen, we can then ascertain whether you were true or false.

No one can ascertain the day or the hour, as Jesus indicated. He didn't even know that. But we can know the season. I have mentioned the scriptures to look up to show that we are in the season when Jesus will come back in Kingdom power. Daniel chapter 2 is the key, because it is easily understood. The dream of Nebuchadnezzar concerning the big tree had two parts, and besides the story of him living 7 years in the fields, the greater meaning leads us down to the year 1914 as when Jehovah's representative King will take power once again. This can be explained in detail if you are truly interested.

Nebuchadnezzar's other dream, of the immense image, is particularly poignant. All of the world powers that had an influence on God's people are mentioned in the verses of chapter 2. The first is stated---Babylon. Then the others we know by way of looking back in history. The one to rise after Babylon was Medo-Persia, and the next--the one of Copper--would be Greece, and the fourth kingdom would be Rome, because it did conquer Greece. Verses 41 through 43 describes the days we are living in now. The United States and Great Britain are descended from Rome, and those verses describe how these kingdoms are faring. "Partly strong and partly fragile," like iron mixed with clay. Whether or not you agree that the feet and toes stand for the Duo British-American world power, it seems to me that it is quite clear that the feet and toes picture the last kingdom to rule before the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven). Indeed, it says there that "in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." (Daniel 2:44)

I have encouraged people to go on Google and type in "Immense Image of Daniel 2." Many groups other than Jehovah's Witnesses apparently can see that the feet and toes of the image are specific to our day. Why don't you look it up?

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[William]

[Replying to William in post #30]

We know it is literally SOON, in our time frame, because of Biblical chronology, as I have specifically mentioned in recent past. The immense image of Daniel chapter 2 show us where we are in the stream of time and that we will see the crushing of the image, as it were, and the institution of God's own government by Christ.

.

So you say.

But what do you give us as a way to support your predictions re "literally SOON"? A timeframe would be handy.

Something which can positively set you above suspicion re the advice to the beloved to believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

How would you suggest we 'try the spirit" in relation to your proclamation?

For example, by your being more specific than "literally SOON" say - in offering a month or year when this will happen, we can then ascertain whether you were true or false.

No one can ascertain the day or the hour, as Jesus indicated. He didn't even know that. But we can know the season.

So okay - Give us the season this will happen.

I have mentioned the scriptures to look up to show that we are in the season when Jesus will come back in Kingdom power. Daniel chapter 2 is the key, because it is easily understood. The dream of Nebuchadnezzar concerning the big tree had two parts, and besides the story of him living 7 years in the fields, the greater meaning leads us down to the year 1914 as when Jehovah's representative King will take power once again. This can be explained in detail if you are truly interested.

Why would something easily understood need explaining?

Nebuchadnezzar's other dream, of the immense image, is particularly poignant. All of the world powers that had an influence on God's people are mentioned in the verses of chapter 2. The first is stated---Babylon. Then the others we know by way of looking back in history. The one to rise after Babylon was Medo-Persia, and the next--the one of Copper--would be Greece, and the fourth kingdom would be Rome, because it did conquer Greece. Verses 41 through 43 describes the days we are living in now. The United States and Great Britain are descended from Rome, and those verses describe how these kingdoms are faring. "Partly strong and partly fragile," like iron mixed with clay. Whether or not you agree that the feet and toes stand for the Duo British-American world power, it seems to me that it is quite clear that the feet and toes picture the last kingdom to rule before the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven). Indeed, it says there that "in the days of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." (Daniel 2:44)

So placing all that into the perspective of now, you are saying that 'soon' The United States and Great Britain will crumble because of an event which [literally?] comes from the sky?

Obviously the script uses metaphorical imagery, so what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means?

What of the other nations which also rule their various states?

I have encouraged people to go on Google and type in "Immense Image of Daniel 2." Many groups other than Jehovah's Witnesses apparently can see that the feet and toes of the image are specific to our day. Why don't you look it up?

We can also see that these were 'specific to the day' of past humans who have since died not seeing anything like a stone from heaven crashing into the affairs of humankind.

Therefore your explanation does not account for why anyone should think your claim that this will happen "literally SOON" has any truth to it.

Hench why - those making predictions - are required to be tested in some way which allows the listener to ascertain whether they speak truth or not.

Nothing of the sort may ever happen.

[JehovahsWitness]

Obviously the script uses metaphorical imagery, so what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means?

DANIEL 2:34

“You looked on until a stone was cut out, not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of clay and crushed them"

The Jehovah's Witness understanding is

The great mountain : Jehovah’s universal sovereignty
The Stone : The Messianic kingdom

The stone comes "out of the mountain" means the new “Messianic kingdom” was produced as a new expression of God’s sovereignty toward our earth.








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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #37]

The question put forth has to do with why these things are claimed will be happening ""literally SOON" "

The meaning said organization places on the metaphors, need to be accounted for in real life in order for these to be recognized as true predictions.

Saying "literally SOON" doesn't mean anything without some type of base in reality. So far - there is nothing of significant noteworthy connect.

Will today's living get to see the event, or is it not literally that SOON?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #37]

The question put forth has to do with why these things are claimed will be happening ""literally SOON" "

.... what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means?

I see. I misunderstood the question, sorry.

I thought "what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means?" ...meant : what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means. I should have understood "what do you think the metaphor of "the stone comes out of the mountain (God's Kingdom coming out of heaven)." means?" Was really asking : "why these things are claimed will be happening ""literally SOON" ?"



My bad



JW

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #39]

My bad

Easy mistake to make when one isn't paying attention to the context of the conversation being had and jumps in anyway.

Are you someone who thinks that the event spoken of [in metaphor] will happen "literally SOON".

If so, perhaps you could assist your brethren in offering something more than metaphor atop metaphor and just give some indication of this claim within an identifiable timeframe.

That way, if it doesn't happen, we can understand this to be a false assertion re;

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.