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Q:1 Is there a "True Predestination God?"2timothy316 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:01 pm I don't think the false predestination god should be the one to define that seeing how he is willing to torture people eternally for conditions that he placed on them. The false predestination god is a sicko.
Sure, that might resolve an issue of predestination for some people. It opens up a whole new set of issues (as previously discussed). But perhaps not so much for predestination.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:59 pm I think some of the issues that people find with 'predestination' might be resolved if they understood:
That there is no place of eternal and conscious torment but there are indeed horrific experiences which fearful souls do indeed create for themselves to experience, although these are not eternal, because they are not real. They are impermanent creations which manifest because those who create them are uninformed and have attitudes which promote such creations, largely through fearfulness.
Yes, but those 'horrors' (by which I take you to mean persecution, execution) were real.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:04 pmI can go along with your interpretation as to what The Church is representative of Tammy - What I am referring to is related to that. It is the Spirit of Christ to which I am pointing to in relation to what I termed as the reality "all are brought into the greater knowledge [of The Creators Reality] beyond the heavens and the hells that they have created [for the most part - unconsciously] for themselves to experience."
As we know, The Body of Christ experienced great horrors....
Everything which can be experienced by a conscious self aware entity, can be experienced as real Tammy. But not necessarily as a permanent experience...so not really a real reality...tam wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:22 pmYes, but those 'horrors' (by which I take you to mean persecution, execution) were real.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:04 pmI can go along with your interpretation as to what The Church is representative of Tammy - What I am referring to is related to that. It is the Spirit of Christ to which I am pointing to in relation to what I termed as the reality "all are brought into the greater knowledge [of The Creators Reality] beyond the heavens and the hells that they have created [for the most part - unconsciously] for themselves to experience."
As we know, The Body of Christ experienced great horrors....
Peace again to you.
That doesn't make sense, William.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:31 pmEverything which can be experienced by a conscious self aware entity, can be experienced as real Tammy. But not necessarily as a permanent experience.tam wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:22 pmYes, but those 'horrors' (by which I take you to mean persecution, execution) were real.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:04 pmI can go along with your interpretation as to what The Church is representative of Tammy - What I am referring to is related to that. It is the Spirit of Christ to which I am pointing to in relation to what I termed as the reality "all are brought into the greater knowledge [of The Creators Reality] beyond the heavens and the hells that they have created [for the most part - unconsciously] for themselves to experience."
As we know, The Body of Christ experienced great horrors....
Peace again to you.
The only thing which is actually Real, Is The Creators Realm.
In relation to this current reality experience, all things suffering, persecuted, executed etc...are essentially "The Body Of Christ"...
Likely not at all I think.tam wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:19 pm Peace to you,
Sure, that might resolve an issue of predestination for some people. It opens up a whole new set of issues (as previously discussed). But perhaps not so much for predestination.William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:59 pm I think some of the issues that people find with 'predestination' might be resolved if they understood:
That there is no place of eternal and conscious torment but there are indeed horrific experiences which fearful souls do indeed create for themselves to experience, although these are not eternal, because they are not real. They are impermanent creations which manifest because those who create them are uninformed and have attitudes which promote such creations, largely through fearfulness.
Peace again to you.
Because you are defining the Body of Christ as "all things suffering, persecuted, executed."William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:36 pm [Replying to tam in post #65]
Why not Tammy?That doesn't make sense, William.
Only in answer to your own statement...This is part of what the BoC is which identifies it, rather than all.tam wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:40 pmBecause you are defining the Body of Christ as "all things suffering, persecuted, executed."William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:36 pm [Replying to tam in post #65]
Why not Tammy?That doesn't make sense, William.
That doesn't make sense, nor is that what the Body of Christ is (as already stated).
Peace again to you.
And do you have any evidence to present for this statement, William?William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:11 pmOnly in answer to your own statement...This is part of what the BoC is which identifies it, rather than all.tam wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:40 pmBecause you are defining the Body of Christ as "all things suffering, persecuted, executed."William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:36 pm [Replying to tam in post #65]
Why not Tammy?That doesn't make sense, William.
That doesn't make sense, nor is that what the Body of Christ is (as already stated).
Peace again to you.
The Spirit who IS Christ is the person Himself (Christ Jaheshua); see 2 Corinth 3:18. The spirit that Christ gives us (holy spirit that the Father has given to the Son without end, and that the Son gives to whomever He chooses) is within us, if indeed we have received it.And I mentioned it in relation to the Spirit of Christ, which is not the same as the Body of Christ in that example.
