The Great Image of Daniel chapter 2

[onewithhim]

Daniel's chapter about the great image (chapter 2) is very significant within any discussion of the end times and when God's Kingdom comes (Matt.6:9,10). After perusing this chapter, and perhaps viewing this image on other websites, what is your understanding of the meaning of this image and its being hit by a rock from the mountain?

[JehovahsWitness]

What I wrote is found in posts 18, 36, and 62.

I think clear answers are there, except perhaps the feet.

The feet were part of the fourth kingdom that existed when Jesus, the stone, came.

So you believe ..

1). The stone(rock):(post #18) is JESUS

2). The great image:(post #36) represents the Kingdoms of this world

4). The Feet : Rome

6). The stone/rock strike In the first century when Jesus destroyed Rome (the feet)

Well that doesnt make sense:

#1 Jesus didn't destroy Rome. Rome put Jesus to death and it when on to destoy the temple and eventually persecute Gods people.

#2 The kingdom of the world still exist (some even persecuting God's people to this day)

#3 Your interprétation breaks with the pattern of each new section being a different power)

DANIEL 2 :44b

And this kingdom [...] will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever

[Checkpoint]

What I wrote is found in posts 18, 36, and 62.

I think clear answers are there, except perhaps the feet.

The feet were part of the fourth kingdom that existed when Jesus, the stone, came.

So you believe ..

1). The stone(rock):(post #18) is JESUS

2). The great image:(post #36) represents the Kingdoms of this world

4). The Feet : Rome

6). The stone/rock strike In the first century when Jesus destroyed Rome (the feet)

Well that doesnt make sense:

#1 Jesus didn't destroy Rome. Rome put Jesus to death and it when on to destoy the temple and eventually persecute Gods people.

#2 The kingdom of the world still exist (some even persecuting God's people to this day)

#3 Your interprétation breaks with the pattern of each new section being a different power)

DANIEL 2 :44b

And this kingdom [...] will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever

And your interpretation does make sense, and does not break out of the Daniel 2 specifications?

#ell, whatever, You seem to have missed these details:

1). The stone is not the great mountain, and the great mountain is not the stone. The stone became a great mountain.

2). Four kingdoms make up the great image, in this dream, and in its interpretaation.

3). The stone strike was at the feet, not at the head, of the image.

4). The kingdom of God will be "set up" "in the days of these kings".

[JehovahsWitness]

What I wrote is found in posts 18, 36, and 62.

I think clear answers are there, except perhaps the feet.

The feet were part of the fourth kingdom that existed when Jesus, the stone, came.

So you believe ..

1). The stone(rock):(post #18) is JESUS

2). The great image:(post #36) represents the Kingdoms of this world

4). The Feet : Rome

6). The stone/rock strike In the first century when Jesus destroyed Rome (the feet)

Well that doesnt make sense:

#1 Jesus didn't destroy Rome. Rome put Jesus to death and it when on to destoy the temple and eventually persecute Gods people.

#2 The kingdom of the world still exist (some even persecuting God's people to this day)

#3 Your interprétation breaks with the pattern of each new section being a different power)

DANIEL 2 :44b

And this kingdom [...] will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever

You seem to have missed these details:

1). The stone is not the great mountain, and the great mountain is not the stone. The stone became a great mountain.

So ? So what? It destroys all the kingdoms of the world when it strikes and you believe it (Jesus) struck and destroyed Rome in the first century. History says otherwise.


The point(s) you highlight do not resolve this problem.

JW

[Checkpoint]

What I wrote is found in posts 18, 36, and 62.

I think clear answers are there, except perhaps the feet.

The feet were part of the fourth kingdom that existed when Jesus, the stone, came.

So you believe ..

1). The stone(rock):(post #18) is JESUS

2). The great image:(post #36) represents the Kingdoms of this world

4). The Feet : Rome

6). The stone/rock strike In the first century when Jesus destroyed Rome (the feet)

Well that doesnt make sense:

#1 Jesus didn't destroy Rome. Rome put Jesus to death and it when on to destoy the temple and eventually persecute Gods people.

#2 The kingdom of the world still exist (some even persecuting God's people to this day)

#3 Your interprétation breaks with the pattern of each new section being a different power)

DANIEL 2 :44b

And this kingdom [...] will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever

You seem to have missed these details:

1). The stone is not the great mountain, and the great mountain is not the stone. The stone became a great mountain.

So ? So what? It destroys all the kingdoms of the world when it strikes and you believe it (Jesus) struck and destroyed Rome in the first century. History says otherwise.


The point(s) you highlight do not resolve this problem.

JW

History says what man says, and man says what he sees.

Scripture says what God says, and God says what He sees.

I choose what God says and sees, and conveys in Daniel 2.

[Checkpoint]

Checkpoint, I wonder if you read my posts on the legs and feet of the image. I think it's quite succinct and reasonable, what I wrote. I also asked you some questions that you haven't answered. I would appreciate your answers.

Thanks.

Yes, onewithhim, I am aware of your posts, but have not read them with any intention to agree or disagree, or add any further comment.

However, I am not aware of any questions you asked of me.

Please tell me which posts, or ask the questions again.

Thanks.

Please inform me as to why you have discounted my posts from the discussion.

I understand why that is your response.

I have not discounted your posts from the discussion. I see them as a quite legitimate part of the discussion on this your own thread.

What I have discounted is my own engagement regarding those aspects you specified.

I will continue to post on this thread my own response to your opening thread post, with a further post or two to add to the two already posted, to hopefully complete that task.

By the way, onewithhim, I was very pleased to see what this new thread you started was about, and how well you had then presented it to us.

I'm sorry....I thought you seemed to be totally uninformed about what the iron legs and the feet with both iron and clay means, and I had already explained all that. I thought that if you had read my post you would know.

That's ok, onewithhim.

Perhaps it's now my turn.

I have given you a full answer to your thread opening post.

Please, have you any comments or observations on that answer?

Which is on these posts: 18, 36, and 62.

To Checkpoint:

I went back over your posts 18, 36 and 62. Thank you for your well thought out responses. You are close to my line of thinking. You say that the rock/stone that comes out of the mountain is Jesus Christ. Certainly he is incorporated into the identity of the stone, for the stone signifies God's Kingdom government of which Jesus is the ruler. So I wouldn't disagree with you there.

You said that the great image refers to all of the world's kingdoms, and that jives with my thought that the image signifies all of the great kingdoms that had a direct influence on Jehovah's people. In Daniel, first was Babylon. Yes, Babylon, in some form or another, as you mentioned, has had much influence on all kingdoms that came afterward, but as Daniel said, it would be conquered by another kingdom which history shows turned out to be Medo-Persia (the silver arms and upper torso). Then Greece (copper mid-section) conquered Medo-Persia, and Rome (iron legs) conquered Greece. That is what history shows the various metals to represent. The Anglo-American world power historically has sprung from the old world power, Rome, and is active now. The feet stand for a politically divided world, and we see that everywhere. Seeing that we are living in this time, we know that the end of this old system is very near.

Your idea of a battle of the kingdoms is correct, in that worldly governments will continue to battle everything that involves Jesus and his Father, right down to their end. Men's governments against God's government. Psalms states: "The kings of the earth take their stand and high officials have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one." (Psalm 2:2) Revelation tells us: Jesus shows up from heaven and battles with the world's nations. "Out of his mouth there protrudes a sharp long sword, that he may strike the nations with it, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron." (Rev.19:11-15) The account goes on to show that national governments will be deleted and those that fought against Jesus will be eaten by the birds. This happens at Armageddon.

Concerning Genesis 3:15, Satan figuratively bit Jesus on his heel when the Jews had Jesus killed in the first century. The crushing of Satan's head is still in the future, after the thousand-year reign of Christ. That is when Satan goes off into oblivion (Rev.20:10).

Now, how does this differ from how you look at it? Please explain once again, in simple terms, so my little brain can understand. Thanks.

It has been good to read this, as it helps me to see again how you put things together, and where that leads.

Very broadly speaking, we are in basic agreement.

But, to use a common saying, "the devil is in the details".

I think you know where we diverge. I listed five specific differences in a recent post to JW.

In addition, your view incorporates later Scripture, such as Revelation. Mine does not.

I don't know anything about your "little brain". Could be that's what I have too.

Whatever. Our brain is not the problem. We are.

[Revelations won]

To whom it may concern,

Daniel gave the dream and the clear interpretation of it by REVELATION from God.

I also see many views and interpretations expressed by several people who present their private interpretations of Daniels interpretation. I say “private” because it is clearly self evident that they place a gag order upon the very god whom they claim to believe in and deny him the right to give any additional revelation in this or any other scriptural events or prophesies. 

I would ask, who has any right to deny our very creator the right to speak and give revelation to us in our day?

Who among mankind has the right to deny that there will be prophets in our day? And on what basis?

Since they claim that there can be no more revelation, divine dreams, heavenly visions or gifts of the sprit of God, then who authorized this doctrine?

Kind regards,
RW

[Checkpoint]

To whom it may concern,

Daniel gave the dream and the clear interpretation of it by REVELATION from God.

I also see many views and interpretations expressed by several people who present their private interpretations of Daniels interpretation. I say “private” because it is clearly self evident that they place a gag order upon the very god whom they claim to believe in and deny him the right to give any additional revelation in this or any other scriptural events or prophesies. 

I would ask, who has any right to deny our very creator the right to speak and give revelation to us in our day?

Who among mankind has the right to deny that there will be prophets in our day? And on what basis?

Since they claim that there can be no more revelation, divine dreams, heavenly visions or gifts of the sprit of God, then who authorized this doctrine?

Kind regards,
RW

Who indeed.

Perhaps you could elaborate on who and how, if you have specific posters or others in mind.

God has the "right" to choose how He operates. This includes whether or not to reveal this or that specific event prior to its actual occurrence.

Go well.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #75]

I appreciate your willingness to examine others' viewpoints. It's kind of rare here. Thank you for your comments.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #75]

I appreciate your willingness to examine others' viewpoints. It's kind of rare here. Thank you for your comments.

Yours appreciated too.

This seems to be what you refer to, from me:

It has been good to read this, as it helps me to see again how you put things together, and where that leads.

Very broadly speaking, we are in basic agreement.

But, to use a common saying, "the devil is in the details".

I think you know where we diverge. I listed five specific differences in a recent post to JW.

In addition, your view incorporates later Scripture, such as Revelation. Mine does not.

Care to comment on, or discuss, any or all the four[not five] specific differences I listed in my JW post? These are:

1). The stone is not the great mountain, and the great mountain is not the stone. The stone became a great mountain.

2). Four kingdoms make up the great image, in this dream, and in its interpretation.

3). The stone strike was at the feet, not at the head, of the image.

4). The kingdom of God will be "set up" "in the days of these kings".

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #75]

I appreciate your willingness to examine others' viewpoints. It's kind of rare here. Thank you for your comments.

Yours appreciated too.

This seems to be what you refer to, from me:

It has been good to read this, as it helps me to see again how you put things together, and where that leads.

Very broadly speaking, we are in basic agreement.

But, to use a common saying, "the devil is in the details".

I think you know where we diverge. I listed five specific differences in a recent post to JW.

In addition, your view incorporates later Scripture, such as Revelation. Mine does not.

Care to comment on, or discuss, any or all the four[not five] specific differences I listed in my JW post? These are:

1). The stone is not the great mountain, and the great mountain is not the stone. The stone became a great mountain.

2). Four kingdoms make up the great image, in this dream, and in its interpretation.

3). The stone strike was at the feet, not at the head, of the image.

4). The kingdom of God will be "set up" "in the days of these kings".

1) True. God's own government by Christ will fill the earth---that is, be reigning over the whole earth.

2) I see more than just Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome making up the great image. We go further from Rome itself, down the legs, considering the powers that are counted FROM Rome's great influence passed down to its off-shoots---what became Great Britain (which was formerly under the sovereignty of Rome) and eventually the United States, which broke off from Great Britain. There has been the "Anglo-American" world power since 1763 A.D. with the Treaty of Paris. So there is a FIFTH great world power, evident to us , after the fall of Rome. The Anglo-American world power is alive and operating now. The whole world finds itself in the feet of the image---a politically divided world.

3) The stone---God's own government---strikes the feet, showing that where we are in the stream of time is very close to the end of men's governments and the establishment of God's own government by Christ.

4) In Daniel 2:44 God set up a kingdom "in the days of those kings," meaning, I would think, he was preparing the Kingdom throughout all the days of the kings from Babylon down to our day. He has it all in place for the time when it will crush all of men's governments. The Kingdom exists, in heaven, but has not yet taken over the earth. That happens in the future when it will crush all of the present rulerships.

Back to you.