who is 666? my opinion

[cristian_gavrilescu]

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:18)
gematria is a calculation, a number from a name, a word, a phrase. every letter has a number allocated. the amount of all numbers is the number allocated to that word. if in latin alphabet, you allocate to the letter z, the number 1 and to next letters in inverse order of the alphabet, you allocate 2,3,4, etc, until 10, then 10,20,30, etc, until 100, then 100,200,300, etc, until last letter a, the word (name) hitler is 666. h=100, i=90, t=7, l=60, e=400, r=9. this is one of many possible gematries. in "real" gematria, the hebrew alphabet, nero is the only famous person with the number 666.
caesar neron = nron qsr = נרונ קסר
resh (ר) samekh (ס) qoph (ק) nun (נ) vav (ו) resh (ר) nun (נ)
200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = 666
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)
from this quote, we can understand the beast (666) will live two times. what similarities have hitler and nero? both they fought jews, both they killed themselves after they lost the war, both were the biggest killers in the history of humanity, nero killed paul and peter, in one word: 666. maybe God gave two chances to 666 to be a human, but he refused those.

[JehovahsWitness]

The beast is an Islamic Caliphate.

No that cannot be right as the beasts dominance is global ; no one (or even group) of Islamic states, dominates the entire planet.




The beast represents ALL the world's governments that are in existence today as only as a group can we see an entity that exercises such widespread power.


JW




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[woodtick]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #61]

[JehovahsWitness]

It's not a matter of proof, it's a matter of reasonable conclusions. I have already presented the rationale to conclude the wild (sea) beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a single state (or individual) of any description.

Why can we conclude the Wild beast doesnt represent any single state or individual ?
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[woodtick]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #63]

[woodtick]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #57]

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3rd person singular: Dative αὐτῷ (masculine and neuter genders only). Dative αὐτή (feminine only).

[JehovahsWitness]

...you say is a UN unification of the world's governments...

You seem to be mixing up your beasts. The wild (sea) beast and the scarlet coloured beast re not the same entity.

In refering to the sea beast, I have never said that it represented a unification of the world's governments, I said it (the sea/666 beast)represented all the world's governments ie the worldwide political system under the invisible control of God’s great adversary, Satan. Nobody mentioned handing over sovereignty or global unification but you.

As for the scarlet (image) beast, that we believe represents The United Nations.



JW

[PinSeeker]

What most here don't seem to understand is what is properly called -- by theologians -- "prophetic foreshortening." Of course we have a term for it, right? Anyway, to explain this concept, the following illustration is very helpful:
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When traveling in the United States from east to west on I-70 through the state of Kansas and then through the eastern part of the state of Colorado, the plains seem to be endless. But then, all of a sudden really, you see on the horizon a huge mountain -- actually the Rocky Mountain range. As you get closer and closer, you realize you weren't nearly as close to the mountain(s) as you thought you were. You begin to see layers, and you begin to see that what looked like one huge mountain is actually layers upon layers of smaller mountains with larger layers behind them.

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This is the understanding with which we must read all the prophets of the Old Testament (including Daniel, Isaiah, Amos, Hosea, Micah, and others) and John in Revelation. When they wrote their respective prophecies, they were only a great distance away and could only see, figuratively speaking, the one great big mountain. So there is in fact a sense in which they didn't know exactly -- didn't fully grasp -- what God was saying through them; they did not completely understand what they were prophesying because they were not close enough to see all the layers of smaller mountains. This is "prophetic foreshortening."
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We, on the other hand, can can see at least many of, if not most, of these "layers" -- which are actually multiple manifestations of what the prophets were predicting over the period referred to by Micah as the "latter days" (Micah 4:1), which is the period from the coming of the Holy Spirit after Jesus's resurrection and ascension to His return (we know this by reading Hebrews 1, specifically verse 2, which says, "...in these last days (God) has spoken to us in His Son..."), the period in which we stand now -- are in the past now, and at least a few are still to come... we are still "approaching" but haven't gotten to them yet. We may even be close to the end of the "layers," or manifestations, but we may not. We can't know for sure (just like the prophets of old in that respect), as only God Himself does. But we should live as if we are, just like the prophets (but ultimately God) tell (tells) us to.
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Grace and peace to all.

[woodtick]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #67]

[PinSeeker]

You are avoiding nearly all of my questions so this is my last try because you have no depth, and this discussion has become unproductive. It would also help if you would quote the verses you are referring to.

Woodtick, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness and will disagree as such with JW on many Biblical things. But saying he "ha(s) no depth" is totally without merit, not to mention downright mean-spirited and hateful.

This is the 3rd time I ask you to prove to me HOW you determine that 'whatever beast you are referring to' is GLOBAL.

That's not what he asserted, Woodtick. He said, and I quote), "the beast's dominance is global" (emphasis mine). And his assertion is true, and unmistakable upon reading Revelation 13:3-4, which says:
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"And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, 'Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?' ” (emphasis mine)

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So your question is a non sequitur, really.