Are we perfect?

[Waterfall]

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You think that you know it all, but do you really know anything?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Miles]

Are we perfect?

You think that you know it all, but do you really know anything?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Why would you even suspect we might be perfect when god himself is less than perfect? If he can make mistakes surely it should be assumed we can as well. Or is this a bad assumption?

I don't think Christianity can be contained/limited to the bible...

Has God made any mistakes:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko03.htm

I think this book comes with some interesting thoughts:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm

What do you think about this:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-e03.htm

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Because I have more important things to do I only scanned your five, irrelevant appearing, linked commentaries, and failed to see anything that bore on god's admission that he had made a mistake. If I missed it and there is such a thing, I invite you to copy-paste it.

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[Waterfall]

Are we perfect?

You think that you know it all, but do you really know anything?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Why would you even suspect we might be perfect when god himself is less than perfect? If he can make mistakes surely it should be assumed we can as well. Or is this a bad assumption?

I don't think Christianity can be contained/limited to the bible...

Has God made any mistakes:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko03.htm

I think this book comes with some interesting thoughts:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a04.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko04.htm (I have corrected the link)

What do you think about this:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-e03.htm

Your friend forever

Waterfall

Because I have more important things to do I only scanned your five, irrelevant appearing, linked commentaries, and failed to see anything that bore on god's admission that he had made a mistake. If I missed it and there is such a thing, I invite you to copy-paste it.

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There was an incorrect link in my reply - as you can see I have corrected it.

You say God has made mistakes and I link to this:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a03.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko03.htm

Any mistakes here?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Waterfall]

[Replying to Miles in post #11]

I understand that you are talking about the Bible...

What do you think about this explanation:

https://www.truelife.org/answers/can-go ... e-his-mind

Are there other problems in the Bible...

I have asked JW (in another thread) about this (John 14:12):

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Has it something to do with bringing dead people back to life? Or?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #11]

I understand that you are talking about the Bible...

What do you think about this explanation:

https://www.truelife.org/answers/can-go ... e-his-mind

Right off the top it's opening statement

.......................The Bible teaches that God can’t make mistakes or change His mind because He is perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful, .......................unchanging, and His will is eternal.

flies in the face of god's own admission.

Are there other problems in the Bible...

I have asked JW (in another thread) about this (John 14:12):

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

So, what was JW's answer to Jesus's broken promise?

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[Waterfall]

[Replying to Miles in post #14]

I was thinking about this explanation:

Another question that often comes up is: “What about verses that speak of God regretting, repenting, or relenting (e.g., Genesis 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:35; Exodus 32:14)? Don’t these verses mean that God changes His mind?” These verses should be understood metaphorically. Metaphors are used in the Bible to say things about God or about His actions that are true but are described in poetic ways that should not be taken literally. One type of metaphor that the Bible uses is called an anthropomorphism. An anthropomorphism is a metaphor that describes God using words that usually describe human beings because it is easier for humans to understand. For example, there are many verses that speak of God having body parts (e.g., Exodus 7:5, Numbers 6:25, and Psalm 34:15). Whenever the Bible attributes human characteristics to God, these verses should be interpreted metaphorically. So when the Bible speaks of God repenting, etc., we shouldn’t take this to mean that God changes His mind. Rather, we should understand these passages as metaphorically describing a change in God’s actions over His creation. In fact, 1 Samuel 15:29 says “the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for He is not a man, that He should have regret.” So, for example, in Genesis 6:6 God is said to regret only by comparison to humans who are filled with regret. Humans who regret what they have done destroy their work, so God is described as regretting because He destroyed the wicked on the earth through the flood.

I haven´t got an answer from JW about this (John 14:12):

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

It seems to me that it has something to do with bringing dead people back to life, so...?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #14]

I was thinking about this explanation:

Another question that often comes up is: “What about verses that speak of God regretting, repenting, or relenting (e.g., Genesis 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:35; Exodus 32:14)? Don’t these verses mean that God changes His mind?” These verses should be understood metaphorically. Metaphors are used in the Bible to say things about God or about His actions that are true but are described in poetic ways that should not be taken literally.

A standard retort to difficult passages. "It really doesn't mean what it says." And seldom is the metaphor or allusion, or whatever explained. But assuming god's repenting, regretting and feeling sorry here are metaphors, just what object or action do they represent?

I haven´t got an answer from JW about this

(John 14:12):
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

I didn't expect you would.

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[Waterfall]

[Replying to Miles in post #14]

I was thinking about this explanation:

Another question that often comes up is: “What about verses that speak of God regretting, repenting, or relenting (e.g., Genesis 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:35; Exodus 32:14)? Don’t these verses mean that God changes His mind?” These verses should be understood metaphorically. Metaphors are used in the Bible to say things about God or about His actions that are true but are described in poetic ways that should not be taken literally.

A standard retort to difficult passages. "It really doesn't mean what it says." And seldom is the metaphor or allusion, or whatever explained. But assuming god's repenting, regretting and feeling sorry here are metaphors, just what object or action do they represent?

I haven´t got an answer from JW about this

(John 14:12):
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

I didn't expect you would.

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I don't think there has been a flood:

https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/articles/flood357903

So does it really matter what "God" said?

With regard to this (John 14:12):

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Maybe JW is thinking about an answer...has it not something to do with bringing dead people back to life?

Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Icey]

[Replying to Waterfall in post #1]

You only have to live for a very short time to know we are not perfect. Not even close, no matter what people like to believe.

[Deeogee]

[Replying to Waterfall in post #13]

What greater miracle could be done than raising the dead? (Jn 14:12)

The one greater work Jesus was referring to was teaching sinners how to become a child of God (Mt. 28:18-20).

Jesus came to earth to save the lost.(Luke 19:10)

Jesus commands men to teach others his commands of how to become a Christian. (Acts 2:38,47 ; 8:5,12,13,26-40 ; 22:16)


What Must I Do To Be Saved?

http://missionprinting.us/be.html

[JehovahsWitness]

I have asked JW (in another thread) about this (John 14:12)

Hello Waterfall,

I'm sorry if I initially overlooked a question you had for me. I generally do respond to questions addressed to me directly but you are free to ask me or any other Jehovahs Witness a question on the appropriate subforum* to be sure of a response from a Witness.

[*] Question for a group
viewforum.php?f=45

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

Has it something to do with bringing dead people back to life? Or?

No we don't believe Jesus was here referring to resurrecting the dead but rather to the scope, extent and duration of their (the disciples) preaching campaigns.


For more details see below
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