The Devil's Trick?

[POI]

1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?

2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.

3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?

Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....

[POI]

1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?

2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.

3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?

Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....

The devil/serpent's message was that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). That is the same message given by the false prophets Paul and Mohammad if you keep their "new" rules. Although in the case of Mohammad, kill some idolater or apostate, and maybe you can also be rewarded with 72 virgins/dates or raisons in paradise. While the beast and the false prophet (Revelation 16) has deceived the "many" (Matthew 7:13-23), according to Yeshua, there will be others, the "few", who will enter into life, by keeping the commandments (Mt 19:17). God tells you what is the right way, but you are given the free will to choose the path to destruction.

Any "proclaimed god(s)" can claim their way is the right way. Quoting a Verse, which states there will be false profits, is quite circular.

Maybe the Devil inspired this Verse? If the Devil's desire is to deceive humans, what is to stop him; except God maybe? Does God restrict his freewill?

Apparently the "devil" was thrown out of heaven, and knowing his time his short, for he will soon be locked in the pit (Revelation 20:2), he is running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Check the news if you haven't noticed. The devil is free to deceive the world (Revelation 19) but he has a time stamp on his hand. He, the beast, and the false prophet apparently have a reservation for the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

Does God restrict the devil's freewill in any way? Sounds as though you are alluding to the notion that satan is free to do as he well pleases. Is this the case?

[POI]

...You must accept the fact that the Bible got it objectively wrong here. ...

No intelligent reason to believe so.

Hand-waving the facts away does not instead make you correct. The city of Tyre is notably one of the oldest cities; which flies in the face of claimed Biblical prophecy.

[2ndpillar2]

1. If the Devil's objective is to deceive/coerce/trick/persuade humans away from God, and furthermore, has above human abilities; HOW do we know Jesus was not actually Satan in disguise?.?.?.?

2. Does God somewhat remove his freewill, so he cannot ultimately deceive millions into worshiping a false god? (i.e.) What we know as Christianity today.

3. If God does restrict what the devil can do, then why still allow what the devil can do to humans?

Maybe professed Christians have a one way ticket to hell, which makes the devil's job easier. 2/5's of the world's population worship a false god, which breaks the first commandment. The devil's work is already done for him. And almost another 2/6's are also done, in the way of believing in Muhammad. And so on....

The devil/serpent's message was that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4). That is the same message given by the false prophets Paul and Mohammad if you keep their "new" rules. Although in the case of Mohammad, kill some idolater or apostate, and maybe you can also be rewarded with 72 virgins/dates or raisons in paradise. While the beast and the false prophet (Revelation 16) has deceived the "many" (Matthew 7:13-23), according to Yeshua, there will be others, the "few", who will enter into life, by keeping the commandments (Mt 19:17). God tells you what is the right way, but you are given the free will to choose the path to destruction.

Any "proclaimed god(s)" can claim their way is the right way. Quoting a Verse, which states there will be false profits, is quite circular.

Maybe the Devil inspired this Verse? If the Devil's desire is to deceive humans, what is to stop him; except God maybe? Does God restrict his freewill?

Apparently the "devil" was thrown out of heaven, and knowing his time his short, for he will soon be locked in the pit (Revelation 20:2), he is running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Check the news if you haven't noticed. The devil is free to deceive the world (Revelation 19) but he has a time stamp on his hand. He, the beast, and the false prophet apparently have a reservation for the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).

Does God restrict the devil's freewill in any way? Sounds as though you are alluding to the notion that satan is free to do as he well pleases. Is this the case?

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil. With regard to the "Christian" pope, apparently he is not a child of God, for when he tried to cast out demons, he failed. The "many" (Matthew 7:13), which includes "Christians", lie within the power of the devil, and like Paul, all have types of thorns in the side, and are basically without power or Spirit. They all rely on the traditions of men, which are derived from the fallen angels, the gods of old. This would apply to Muslims as well, as the supposed Mohammad made his Satanic verses, as documented by his supposed wife. As for many of the Quranic verses, they were mostly taken from earlier Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastric tradition sources. Now as far as witches, they apparently worship Satan/devil himself, the chief fallen angel. Their lives reflect their beliefs and practices. A good example would be howling at the moon. Yeah, like that makes them look sane.

[William]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #84]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil. With regard to the "Christian" pope, apparently he is not a child of God, for when he tried to cast out demons, he failed. The "many" (Matthew 7:13), which includes "Christians", lie within the power of the devil, and like Paul, all have types of thorns in the side, and are basically without power or Spirit. They all rely on the traditions of men, which are derived from the fallen angels, the gods of old. This would apply to Muslims as well, as the supposed Mohammad made his Satanic verses, as documented by his supposed wife. As for many of the Quranic verses, they were mostly taken from earlier Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastric tradition sources. Now as far as witches, they apparently worship Satan/devil himself, the chief fallen angel. Their lives reflect their beliefs and practices. A good example would be howling at the moon. Yeah, like that makes them look sane.

Superstition much?

This idea that the immaterial Spirit-universe existed well prior to the Material-universe is not accompanied with any rational support and was probably imagined-up to be the case, as a means of Humans explaining why they existed within a fairly hostile environment, having to learn all about that from the starting position of 'blank-slate' - otherwise "why the heck would a god place us in such a circumstance?"

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #84]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil. With regard to the "Christian" pope, apparently he is not a child of God, for when he tried to cast out demons, he failed. The "many" (Matthew 7:13), which includes "Christians", lie within the power of the devil, and like Paul, all have types of thorns in the side, and are basically without power or Spirit. They all rely on the traditions of men, which are derived from the fallen angels, the gods of old. This would apply to Muslims as well, as the supposed Mohammad made his Satanic verses, as documented by his supposed wife. As for many of the Quranic verses, they were mostly taken from earlier Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastric tradition sources. Now as far as witches, they apparently worship Satan/devil himself, the chief fallen angel. Their lives reflect their beliefs and practices. A good example would be howling at the moon. Yeah, like that makes them look sane.

Superstition much?

This idea that the immaterial Spirit-universe existed well prior to the Material-universe is not accompanied with any rational support and was probably imagined-up to be the case, as a means of Humans explaining why they existed within a fairly hostile environment, having to learn all about that from the starting position of 'blank-slate' - otherwise "why the heck would a god place us in such a circumstance?"

The circumstances are bedeviling to those captured by the spirit of the demons/devil, but for the children of God, they remain at ease. All you have to do to trigger the lawless, is to fly an American flag, have a blue light bulb on your porch, or have a support the police sign. The lawless get triggered, and tear down any available signs and think they have won, yet they continue to fret, and sweat. The message of the serpent/devil, was that you didn't have to follow God's instructions, law, and you would "surely not die" (Genesis 3:4). Everyone will die (Jeremiah 31:30) for their own iniquities. No one escapes the Law, or the Canadian Mounties. As for a "blank slate", archeology is finding out that the "blank slate" theory is simply not true. Former empires have simply been wiped out by weather, volcanoes, and comet strikes. Even the government is trying to now spread the idea that the UFOs are real, and little green men are coming back to take your soul, or eat your brains.

[POI]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases.

Then how do you know Jesus was not the devil? Maybe the Orthodox Jews are right? Maybe the real Messiah has not yet come? What makes you so sure you have invested your faith into the correct claimant?

Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil. With regard to the "Christian" pope, apparently he is not a child of God, for when he tried to cast out demons, he failed. The "many" (Matthew 7:13), which includes "Christians", lie within the power of the devil, and like Paul, all have types of thorns in the side, and are basically without power or Spirit. They all rely on the traditions of men, which are derived from the fallen angels, the gods of old. This would apply to Muslims as well, as the supposed Mohammad made his Satanic verses, as documented by his supposed wife. As for many of the Quranic verses, they were mostly taken from earlier Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastric tradition sources. Now as far as witches, they apparently worship Satan/devil himself, the chief fallen angel. Their lives reflect their beliefs and practices. A good example would be howling at the moon. Yeah, like that makes them look sane.

How are you able to distinguish works from the 'power of the Spirit', verses any other? Millions, if not billions, claim to communicate with the real deal. Surely all of them cannot be correct. And yet, it would stand to reason that many, even like yourself, feel quite genuine. But it is certainly possible that all of them, including you, are incorrect.

[William]

[Replying to 2ndpillar2 in post #84]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil. With regard to the "Christian" pope, apparently he is not a child of God, for when he tried to cast out demons, he failed. The "many" (Matthew 7:13), which includes "Christians", lie within the power of the devil, and like Paul, all have types of thorns in the side, and are basically without power or Spirit. They all rely on the traditions of men, which are derived from the fallen angels, the gods of old. This would apply to Muslims as well, as the supposed Mohammad made his Satanic verses, as documented by his supposed wife. As for many of the Quranic verses, they were mostly taken from earlier Jewish, Christian, and Zoroastric tradition sources. Now as far as witches, they apparently worship Satan/devil himself, the chief fallen angel. Their lives reflect their beliefs and practices. A good example would be howling at the moon. Yeah, like that makes them look sane.

Superstition much?

This idea that the immaterial Spirit-universe existed well prior to the Material-universe is not accompanied with any rational support and was probably imagined-up to be the case, as a means of Humans explaining why they existed within a fairly hostile environment, having to learn all about that from the starting position of 'blank-slate' - otherwise "why the heck would a god place us in such a circumstance?"

The circumstances are bedeviling to those captured by the spirit of the demons/devil, but for the children of God, they remain at ease. All you have to do to trigger the lawless, is to fly an American flag, have a blue light bulb on your porch, or have a support the police sign. The lawless get triggered, and tear down any available signs and think they have won, yet they continue to fret, and sweat. The message of the serpent/devil, was that you didn't have to follow God's instructions, law, and you would "surely not die" (Genesis 3:4). Everyone will die (Jeremiah 31:30) for their own iniquities. No one escapes the Law, or the Canadian Mounties. As for a "blank slate", archeology is finding out that the "blank slate" theory is simply not true. Former empires have simply been wiped out by weather, volcanoes, and comet strikes. Even the government is trying to now spread the idea that the UFOs are real, and little green men are coming back to take your soul, or eat your brains.

[brunumb]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil.

None of which is demonstrably true. Delusions take all shapes and forms and religion seems to attract more than its fair share.

[JoeyKnothead]

...You must accept the fact that the Bible got it objectively wrong here. ...

No intelligent reason to believe so.

What intelligent reason then, should we believe the bible got it right?

[2ndpillar2]

Among the devil's followers, the devil seems to do pretty much as he pleases. Now with regard to the children of God, they have their own power, and can rebuke the devil.

None of which is demonstrably true. Delusions take all shapes and forms and religion seems to attract more than its fair share.

That would appear to be the view of someone without power and among the walking dead, which is the "many" (Matthew 7:13). Fear is the driving force of the walking dead, for they fear death, and are manipulated by the powers of the beasts (Revelation 17). They fear everyday weather, comets, earthquakes, volcanos, plagues, UFO aliens, and even individual law based freedoms, and they pose as intellectual superior beings. With their hell on earth life supposedly ending with death, they cling to their hell on earth until their last breath, not knowing they will return to be judged for all the the things they have done (Revelation 20:12). All they should know is that they will die, but not all of them even accept that. It is generally accepted that no one escapes death, but apparently many don't think that is demonstrably true. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink. As for "religions", they are the product of the traditions of men and their multiple gods, which are generally led by the supposedly wise and educated, who have failed to come to any true understanding, and remain in a sea of turmoil. (Matthew 11:25-29). They rely on their drugs for sleep and to stay awake, and to overcome their continual pains. There is nothing sound about them. Is that demonstrable? Look at the huge profits of the drug and health industry. Someone is buying their products.