Do Gods Exist? Can You Prove Gods Exist? Do They Even Have To Exist?

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Definitions

God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being; (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity; an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god; used as a conventional personification of fate; an adored, admired, or influential person; a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god; the gallery in a theater.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves in the existence of God or gods.

Veneration: great respect; reverence:

Existence: the fact or state of living or having objective reality; continued survival; a way of living; any of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth; all that exists; a being or entity.

In essence a god is anything or anyone who is venerated. A mortal man, an object, a fictional or mythological character, real or imagined, a concept like luck. Good or bad. To exist as a god could involve any of a number of specific applications. To exist literally, metaphorically, figuratively, as a fictional, metaphysical or mythological being, object or concept. In what specific sense any alleged god may exist may depend upon such context.

Questions for debate: Do gods exist? Can you prove they exist and do they even have to exist?

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This is 'debating Christianity'. The intent of debate, in this forum, is to debate Christianity. Hence, to banter over what people consider 'lord or Lord, outside the claims to the Christian God, need not apply in this arena.

The terms god(s) and lord(s) have the same meaning in every language known to man throughout recorded history. In Christianity and its criticism, the debate, there isn't any variation of those terms as they are used the same as outside that arena. One of the most obvious problems with atheistic and theistic common expression is that they don't know what those words mean.

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This is 'debating Christianity'. The intent of debate, in this forum, is to debate Christianity. Hence, to banter over what people consider 'lord or Lord, outside the claims to the Christian God, need not apply in this arena.

The terms god(s) and lord(s) have the same meaning in every language known to man throughout recorded history. In Christianity and its criticism, the debate, there isn't any variation of those terms as they are used the same as outside that arena. One of the most obvious problems with atheistic and theistic common expression is that they don't know what those words mean.

Though you may very well be correct, the intent of the debate here is to discuss the Christian version. Care to do that?

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Might need to get a little more clarification here... When you say 'creation', what exactly do <you> mean? In the context of this debate forum, I would assume it relates to something newly created. Meaning, creation ex nihilo, and not ex materia. Can we agree here?

Matter and energy are interchangeable. God is energy. Energy is spirit (Hebrew ruach, Greek pneuma).

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Though you may very well be correct, the intent of the debate here is to discuss the Christian version. Care to do that?

What you, the unbeliever in this exchange, are saying to me, the believer, is that you are the arbiter of what is Christian and how terms should be used in this debate after my having effectively demonstrated and in fact based the point of my argument upon the possibility that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to those terms, correct? My conclusion that the atheistic argument depends almost entirely upon the idiomatic limits it places on theism in abject ignorance is correct. Spirit, soul, hell, god, lord, heaven, faith, to name a few. Add to that the axiomatic ideological fixation that is the actual basis of the debate in the first place and it's historically comparable to a class struggle.

[POI]

Might need to get a little more clarification here... When you say 'creation', what exactly do <you> mean? In the context of this debate forum, I would assume it relates to something newly created. Meaning, creation ex nihilo, and not ex materia. Can we agree here?

Matter and energy are interchangeable. God is energy. Energy is spirit (Hebrew ruach, Greek pneuma).

To be honest, I do not know how to proceed with this claim? As I stated in post 36, let's maybe not banter semantics just yet. Matter/energy/nature/existence/material can all mean the same thing (for now). When you say 'creation', do you mean ex nihilo or ex "materia"?

[POI]

Though you may very well be correct, the intent of the debate here is to discuss the Christian version. Care to do that?

What you, the unbeliever in this exchange, are saying to me, the believer, is that you are the arbiter of what is Christian and how terms should be used in this debate after my having effectively demonstrated and in fact based the point of my argument upon the possibility that you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to those terms, correct?

No. Not correct. I'm telling you I'm only interested in speaking about "Christianity", not what people view as 'lord/other' outside Christianity. You know, which is the forum we are in (debating Christianity).

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To be honest, I do not know how to proceed with this claim? As I stated in post 36, let's maybe not banter semantics just yet. Matter/energy/nature/existence/material can all mean the same thing (for now). When you say 'creation', do you mean ex nihilo or ex "materia"?

You want me to put my argument in a neat little box you can approve of because it has already been hashed out for you to choose your response? Something you can Google?

Let me give you a few possible variations and you BRIEFLY respond to those.

1. Ex nihilo.
2. Ex materia.
3. Don't know.
4. No one knows.
5. Doesn't matter.
6. Both.

[POI]

To be honest, I do not know how to proceed with this claim? As I stated in post 36, let's maybe not banter semantics just yet. Matter/energy/nature/existence/material can all mean the same thing (for now). When you say 'creation', do you mean ex nihilo or ex "materia"?

You want me to put my argument in a neat little box you can approve of because it has already been hashed out for you to choose your response? Something you can Google?

Let me give you a few possible variations and you BRIEFLY respond to those.

1. Ex nihilo.
2. Ex materia.
3. Don't know.
4. No one knows.
5. Doesn't matter.
6. Both.

You sound quite hostile. I'm asking you an either/or question. Are you able to answer?

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No. Not correct. I'm telling you I'm only interested in speaking about "Christianity", not what people view as 'lord/other' outside Christianity.

Then you don't agree with the Oxford dictionary definitions given in the OP? Do Christians have other gods and lords as the Bible passage I quoted earlier from Paul. Many Lords many Gods. Doesn't the Bible list Moses, the judges of Israel, Satan, Molech, Dagon, Baal, Ashtoreth, idols, and rulers as gods and lords as is has commonly done throughout recorded history. One's own belly, again, quoting Paul, for example.

You're only doing exactly what I said you were doing.

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To be honest, I do not know how to proceed with this claim? As I stated in post 36, let's maybe not banter semantics just yet. Matter/energy/nature/existence/material can all mean the same thing (for now). When you say 'creation', do you mean ex nihilo or ex "materia"?

You want me to put my argument in a neat little box you can approve of because it has already been hashed out for you to choose your response? Something you can Google?

Let me give you a few possible variations and you BRIEFLY respond to those.

1. Ex nihilo.
2. Ex materia.
3. Don't know.
4. No one knows.
5. Doesn't matter.
6. Both.

You sound quite hostile. I'm asking you an either/or question. Are you able to answer?

I'm not hostile, are you? I'm able to answer, are you? Is the answer to this question not also outside of Christianity like you said the terms god and lords were? You want a scientific answer to Christianity?