Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...

[William]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?

What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?

Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 40 by Pipiripi]

I know my BIBLE and I know your evolution theory.

Then demonstrate this knowledge. To date, you have not.

That is the difference between me and you.

Are you implying that I don't know both? I in fact do. It was quite hilarious in fact - growing up in school, I was the only one who actually bothered to read the Bible. My classmates, some of whom professed to believe in the Bible, actually didn't even know the titles of some of the books, such as Job.

Yours evolutionary theory have no beginning and no end.

I have no idea what you mean by this. If I take it as literally written, then what you say is false. There was a beginning to evolution, when the first life forms came about (however that happened) and they started reproducing.

That's why I begin in the middle of your evolution story.

Middle? So talking about a "first mother and father is a monkey" is in the middle?

My Bible has a Beginning and an End.

As do mine. There is a page 1, and then a page number 1200 something, depending on what edition or translation you have. I'm not going to bother pulling out my Bibles (yes, I have more than one) just to check.

That is the difference again between us.

No, as I just noted. Both of us use books that have beginning and ending pages.

My book is like every other books. They have beginning and an end. Your books of live don't have a beginning.

Hmm...On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin has a page 1. Whatever exactly do you mean?

Item your own live has a beginning.

Wow! I never knew that! Thanks for telling me!

My book the Bible is a book of live. You find names from people who have lives in this world and also names of out this world.

I can find the city of New York mentioned in a Spiderman comic. What's your point?

You are right, I'm not an English men. But I can defend myself with 4 languages. English, Dutch, Spanish, and my own language Papiamentu. This is what my God has given me. What about you?

For some weird inexplicable reason, your God has apparently only seen fit to give me English. I've studied Irish for 16 years, French for eight, and I've tried Japanese, but to date, I can only speak, read and write English.
Anyway, the point is, there is a language barrier. I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you type here, and that is because you're not exactly fluent in English. Not an attack on you, just an observation.

[1213]

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What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?

Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

I really don’t understand how some people can’t take it. If for example someone would come to tell me that some of the Hindu god’s thinks I am bad, I would not care about that and at least it would not be offending to me. But I would like to hear in that case the explanation, why he thinks so. That is why I don’t understand why some other people get offended, if someone says for example that on basis of the Bible, people who for example murder are evil. If one doesn’t believe what the Bible tells, why care? And if one believes, and Bible tells the truth and is right about good and right, shouldn’t people be able to take the truth? It is disturbing, if modern people can’t stand the truth.

But sadly, that is what is expected to happen that people don’t want to hear the truth.

For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lusts; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside to fables.
2 Tim. 4:3-4

[Tcg]

It is disturbing, if modern people can’t stand the truth.

We embrace the truth, which explains why we have rejected the Bible.

But sadly, that is what is expected to happen that people don’t want to hear the truth.

I'd love to hear the truth. Quoting Bible verses ain't gonna get it done.

[Pipiripi]

[Replying to post 41 by rikuoamero]

If you know the Bible better then them, then now you are a Christian.
Tell me the exactly existence of things, when and where it is begin.
If the book of Charles Darwin is the book of beginning of live, then how old is that men to write this book? Was Charles Darwin something that exist or was always to tell a small story? I also can write something that I imagine without any value proofs. You ask me questions of my story and I cannot answered. They say that Darwin looks (face) is like a monkey. That's why ha came with that theory without beginning and an END. My BIBLE story will END when Jesus return. And I know is TRUE, because Jesus talk to me. When you ready I can teached you how Jesus will appear to you. You must ask.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 41 by rikuoamero]

If you know the Bible better then them, then now you are a Christian.
Tell me the exactly existence of things, when and where it is begin.
If the book of Charles Darwin is the book of beginning of live, then how old is that men to write this book? Was Charles Darwin something that exist or was always to tell a small story? I also can write something that I imagine without any value proofs. You ask me questions of my story and I cannot answered. They say that Darwin looks (face) is like a monkey. That's why ha came with that theory without beginning and an END. My BIBLE story will END when Jesus return. And I know is TRUE, because Jesus talk to me. When you ready I can teached you how Jesus will appear to you. You must ask.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to stop here and not continue any more. I don't mean this as an insult, but I honestly don't know what you are saying. Your command of the English language just isn't that good.
The first sentence, I know what it means, but it is patently false. How does my knowledge of the Bible being better than a Christian mean that I must then be a Christian myself? You're making a completely unjustified assumption.

After that...I don't know what you are talking about. As in, I don't understand you.

[William]

[Replying to post 42 by 1213]

I really don’t understand how some people can’t take it. If for example someone would come to tell me that some of the Hindu god’s thinks I am bad, I would not care about that and at least it would not be offending to me. But I would like to hear in that case the explanation, why he thinks so. That is why I don’t understand why some other people get offended, if someone says for example that on basis of the Bible, people who for example murder are evil. If one doesn’t believe what the Bible tells, why care? And if one believes, and Bible tells the truth and is right about good and right, shouldn’t people be able to take the truth? It is disturbing, if modern people can’t stand the truth.

But sadly, that is what is expected to happen that people don’t want to hear the truth.

How you personally think others should take it is not the question being asked of people.

What is being asked is whether it is a case of personal attack, and whether people should be allowed to use their beliefs systems to make such personal comments on this forum against other members.

It does not matter that you believe 'the bible' is 'the truth', as it has not even been established that this is indeed the actual case anyway.

The argument isn't even about upsetting murderers by telling them they are evil. It is about common courtesy and forum etiquette in relation to rule number 1 and that just because some people happen to have a belief about something shouldn't mean that they are allowed to be exempted and offended people should be able to report such posts and have their concerns respectfully upheld.

[jgh7]

[Replying to post 42 by 1213]

I really don’t understand how some people can’t take it. If for example someone would come to tell me that some of the Hindu god’s thinks I am bad, I would not care about that and at least it would not be offending to me. But I would like to hear in that case the explanation, why he thinks so. That is why I don’t understand why some other people get offended, if someone says for example that on basis of the Bible, people who for example murder are evil. If one doesn’t believe what the Bible tells, why care? And if one believes, and Bible tells the truth and is right about good and right, shouldn’t people be able to take the truth? It is disturbing, if modern people can’t stand the truth.

But sadly, that is what is expected to happen that people don’t want to hear the truth.

How you personally think others should take it is not the question being asked of people.

What is being asked is whether it is a case of personal attack, and whether people should be allowed to use their beliefs systems to make such personal comments on this forum against other members.

It does not matter that you believe 'the bible' is 'the truth', as it has not even been established that this is indeed the actual case anyway.

The argument isn't even about upsetting murderers by telling them they are evil. It is about common courtesy and forum etiquette in relation to rule number 1 and that just because some people happen to have a belief about something shouldn't mean that they are allowed to be exempted and offended people should be able to report such posts and have their concerns respectfully upheld.

What if Hell is the main topic of the thread and Christians are simply explaining their beliefs in relation to the topic? What if Hell isn't the main topic, but somehow a tangent evolves and the Christian is asked to explain their belief on Hell for whatever reason?

I understand the concern you would have if a Christian out of left field says that someone on this forum is a sinner and going to Hell when it wasn't even related to the topic at hand. But this is rarely ever the case, but if it is I would consider it ad hominem in that scenario.

[William]

[Replying to post 47 by jgh7]

What if Hell is the main topic of the thread and Christians are simply explaining their beliefs in relation to the topic?

If someone started a topic claiming all people are evil and bound for hell - except of course those who hold the same beliefs as they do in order to escape such a fate, then the topic would be a form of attack.

Most threads on hell are questioning the validity of such a place or of a GOD who will put them there, and one does not have to use their beliefs in order to make personal sweeping attacks on human beings participating in such threads.

Basically the argument I am hearing here is that anyone should have the right to speak their beliefs even if they are offensive to others and cause the others to feel they are being attacked personally.

As the OP states, this is about whether it is necessary to inform others that they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell or whether this is a form of personal abuse and insulting for that.

Explaining one's beliefs is not under question unless those beliefs include personal attack. For what have you then but someone being able to personally attack you under the guise that this is acceptable because they are 'explaining their beliefs'?

If the explanations clearly discriminate against others, then this is unacceptable.

"Explaining beliefs" does not make the offense acceptable.

[Pipiripi]

There is many rules that people can used for defending themselves and hurting others. If you and me are a Christian, then the debating about anything written in the Bible is for only people who believes in God. When two or more people is debating about evolution and they think in the same direction, that there is no God. I don't have nothing to do in their arguing. It is not my business. The moment the debate became about God and evolution, opposite person must come with proof of their believing. It will became a challenge which one is TRUTH and with proofs. But debating here is mixing all together without any knowledge to see who is right. My friends just go on YouTube write debate and learn how to debate.

[marco]

If someone say something agains what Jesus says, about whatever specially, 'coming soon', it is attacking me personally. Because Jesus lived in me.

That's all very well but Jesus isn't a registered debater here, in whatever form.

Jesus says the devil is your father. Did Jesus attacking those persons? I just used what the Bible say.

If indeed Jesus says my father is the devil he is certainly casting aspersions on my dad. Posting this as if it is a truth universally acknowledged isn't allowed on this forum. That would be preaching. Arguing the point that we are all prone to error is fine.

There's no place in heaven for liars. Am I attacking liars?

Posting a series of statements like this is preaching. They don't add to any debate. Similarly if you simply said: "Allah is the only God; You should listen to what Allah says in the Koran or you will suffer damnation" is also preaching, from another standpoint.