The Exodus! Did it Really Happen?

[POI]

The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

For Debate:

1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?

[Clownboat]

Why can't you just watch the video?

It is painful to listen his deceiving speech, especially when it is done in his style. If I listen it, then I have to comment also there all the false claims.

It's ironic... I feel this exact same way every time my wife asks me to attend church with her, and I have to listen to the pastor.

The difference is that you are willing to listen instead of sticking your head in the sand. So good on you!

[AquinasForGod]

Moses was a real person, and there was indeed an exodus.

Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

The timeline might be off by a couple of centuries, but not every detail written about Moses and the exodus is intended to be pure history. The Torah wasn’t written to be a history book or a science textbook, nor was it meant to teach science.

Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence? If so, what?

Much of it consists of stories designed to show us the kind of faith we’re called to have. So, whether every part of the story happened exactly as told isn’t the main point.

Did it even happen at all? If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?

For me personally, my faith would not be effected if nothing in the OT happened historically. However, if you are looking for some evidence and an argument with that evidence why the Exodus happened, then here you go. Patterns of Evidence

[POI]

For me personally, my faith would not be effected if nothing in the OT happened historically.

Then I guess there really is no point in engaging here. So why did you?

However, if you are looking for some evidence and an argument with that evidence why the Exodus happened, then here you go. Patterns of Evidence

"Patterns of Evidence: Exodus" has been largely debunked by mainstream archaeologists and biblical scholars because it presents a selective interpretation of evidence, often ignoring the vast majority of archaeological findings that contradict the biblical account of the Exodus, particularly regarding the scale of the event and the lack of substantial supporting evidence for a large-scale Israelite exodus from Egypt during the proposed timeframe; critics also point to the documentary's tendency to prioritize interpretations that fit the biblical narrative over established historical context.

[POI]

Bumping this thread, to stay near the top, so readers can see that Christians have a very weak case to retain faith/belief in the claimed veracity of the Bible.

[RBD]

The Bible claims an Exodus took place. Many state it was not an actual event. Since the Bible makes a positive claim, in that an 'Exodus" took place, do we have positive evidence to support the claim?

For Debate:

1. Outside the Bible saying so, do we have evidence?

Outside the Bible, there is no proof, because the Nile flows without blood, and Red Sea flows without break, and the desert has the bones.

Just because the Egyptian record does not want to include such a disastrous event of Egyptian folly, that was made by it's own pharoah and people, does not prove it didn't happen.

Also, there is no earthly proof that the heaven and hell of the Bible exists, since the one above is unseen, and the one beneath is in the heart of the earth.

As Cpt Kirk would say, Where no man has physcally gone before...

So far, the only physical possibility for Exodus, heaven, and hell, is the unerring Bible itself.

2. If it should turn out that the Exodus did not take place, does this fact sway the Christian believer's position at all? Or, does it not matter one way or another?

If there turns out to be physical or literary proof, that Exodus did not happen as written in full, then of course it would.

Until then, it can certainly be believed or not according to someone's own personal choice.

It's not about proving all the Bible is true, but is all about intelligently proving it's intelligently possible, by objective study of it's own inerrancy.

This is why people who don't want it to be true, unlike any other book on earth, keep trying to find fault in it. It's not to prove it's all untrue, since much is independently proven, but only to prove it isn't all true, so that they can then pick and choose what they want to believe or not about it.

I mean, who really doesn't want to believe there is a heaven full of the love of and glory of God, that passes all understanding? However, no one personally wants to believe there is a hell of isolated torment. (And it's only those who don't want to believe in hell, that tell others to go there.)

[POI]

Outside the Bible, there is no proof,

Then why should I trust the Bible's account as reliable? Wait, do not answer yet... See below....

Just because the Egyptian record does not want to include such a disastrous event of Egyptian folly, that was made by it's own pharoah and people, does not prove it didn't happen.

It's quite a bit more than this... We are speaking about a claimed era which was claimed to cover centuries of time and also involved millions and millions of people. In other words, there are some smaller clams and there are some large claims. And this one is one of those grand-daddy colossal claims. But somehow, is completely erased from archeological discovery entirely? The video in post 12 explains, with many details. In essence, we are attempting to investigate an event which would leave behind mounds of evidence but instead basically left none.

If there turns out to be physical or literary proof, that Exodus did not happen as written in full, then of course it would. Until then, it can certainly be believed or not according to someone's own personal choice.

Since you admit we only have the claim but lack all physical evidence in which we should have, it is not unreasonable to dismiss this claimed event, which-in-turn, means we can then dismiss the Bible.

It's not about proving all the Bible is true, but is all about intelligently proving it's intelligently possible, by objective study of it's own inerrancy.

See my response directly above.

[EYR]

Of course there was an Exodus.
The Isrealites left markers along their way.

Satan obviously loves it when his supoorters on DCC call GOD and Jesus liars.

[POI]

Of course there was an Exodus.
The Isrealites left markers along their way.

Please elaborate about these 'markers'?

[EYR]

[Replying to POI in post #288]

No. Do some research like I did - then you might believe.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to POI in post #288]

No. Do some research like I did - then you might believe.

Then at least tell us where you did your research.