Did others do more than Jesus for humanity?

[marco]

I was reading about the bravery of Nurse Edith Cavell who saved lives in WW1 and was executed for her efforts. Jesus seems to have blasphemed or insulted the religion of his time and was consequently executed. In history many people have given up their lives for others but only in metaphor did Jesus give his life for others. He is fabled to have destroyed death - after him there was no need to bury people for they didn't die, at least in theory. In practice people did die.

It would seem Jesus should not be on the list of those who saved others, unless we count his medicinal work, which would put him alongside some junior doctors.

Did many others do more for mankind than Jesus?
What good did Jesus actually do?

[sleepyhead]

[Replying to post 19 by SallyF]

My understanding is that Gates has chosen not to get involved in the believer/athiest fray.

[marco]

And Muslims believe Muhammad was that very prophet.

In what sense to they believe that Muhammed was like Moses?

They see a line of prophets finishing with the final and greatest prophet, Muhammad.

Since I'm down here on earth I'm not privy to information with regards to why the HG needed an Ark built before it would come, and I don't know why it needed Jesus crucifixon in order to come down the second time.

Well we have that in common. I assumed that you had special knowledge of the Ghost's itinerary.

Do you not suppose we have enough to do making sense of the diseases that afflict us

I'm not sure of the point your trying to make here. I am mostly concerned about coherency as opposed to true and false. Did you find anything incoherent in what I wrote?

I was trying to inject some reality into the world you have conjured up. It is most commendable that you concern yourself with coherency but the subject matter at your disposal makes that effort quite a challenge. If we are simply talking about precise use of English, I can usually cope and when I can't I take it there is nothing that would interest me. I was under the impression that the Holy Ghost had been promoted to the Holy Spirit, ghost being a rather inappropriate term, even with the complimentary epithet.

[brunumb]

I have a lot more respect for Confucius and his teaching than the itinerant preacher known as Jesus.

[marco]

I have a lot more respect for Confucius and his teaching than the itinerant preacher known as Jesus.

Yes when we consider Jesus removed from the flattery and adulation he has been given by his biographers we see a man obsessed with self-image - "What are people saying about me? Tell me!" Confucius, on the other seems to have practised what Jesus preached, love, kindness, humility, while Jesus mainly preached and said things like: "Go through ME, the way is through ME, see ME as a shepherd and teacher; truth belongs to ME, and life is about ME as well."

Was this modesty? No wonder many believe he was God.

[1213]

…Yes, in spite of the false claims that Jesus Saves, people die anyway….

Yes, body dies. Different matter is what happens to soul. In Biblical point of view, soul is what matters, not body.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

[1213]

…With that philosophy I wonder why Jesus bothered to raise Lazarus, only to have him die a second time?

I believe it was to give courage, so that his disciples would not fear death.

[SallyF]

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/socie ... ists-2018/


We can independently identify and verify the existence and the works of T&C's top 50 philanthropists for 2018.

We have only the propaganda of the Jesus character. No hard evidence.

Nonetheless, unless these 50 people belong to the right version of Christianity, they will die under the hand of the genocidal (and possibly just fictional) Jesus when he bursts through the clouds at any minute

[marco]

…With that philosophy I wonder why Jesus bothered to raise Lazarus, only to have him die a second time?

I believe it was to give courage, so that his disciples would not fear death.

Then Jesus was singularly unsuccessful.

John 20:19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!"

So much for being convinced by the raising of a corpse. It makes one think there was no such miracle.

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

Seems to me that Jesus set the weltanschauung (mind set) for the Nurse Edith's of the world. Without His brave example, would she (and many others) have found the necessary courage and fortitude to consider their love of humanity more precious than their own lives? Impossible to say, of course. But it seems to me to be a matter worth pondering over.

Best wishes, 2RM.

[marco]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

Seems to me that Jesus set the weltanschauung (mind set) for the Nurse Edith's of the world. Without His brave example, would she (and many others) have had the necessary courage and fortitude to consider their love of humanity more precious than their own lives? Impossible to say, of course. But it seems to me to be a matter worth pondering over.

This seems to demean people of those countries where there are heroic humans who have no interest in Christ. I think that in ancient, pre-Christ times people were capable of acts of heroic charity. Why wouldn't they be?

As for non-humans, some dogs have shown amazing acts of what seems to be heroism and devotion, despite Christ's low opinion of them.