Today and over the past hundreds of years there are and have been many very great authors with access to all the philosophical, ethical, and other resources that humanity has thought up or discovered throughout history, and with access to the actual Bible.
Given that, then if the best and brightest of them could be brought together couldn't they write a better version of the Bible without Gods help?
Shouldn't the inspired word of God surpass man's writing ability? And be extremely convincing?
Does all that not count against the divine origins of the actual Bible?
Is this not evidence against the Bible?
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I don't feel a need to debate what debating means. This is not debatingdebating.com.Euphrates wrote:In theory, but not always in application. You've asserted a claim, then accepted it, but never argued for it. In any case, I'll wait until you've provided evidence for your claim.alsarg72 wrote: Also, this site is called debatingchristianity.com, not accepting, asserting, or even discussing Christianity. See the difference?
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Hello,
I had posted this in the Scince vs. the Bible, but I feel it is better suited to be placed here. Now I am not sure if this is the correct thread this should be in, but I feel it fits well here:
So we can all have a clearer understanding of these debates here, what the Christians call the Bible, the Jews the Torah, and the Muslims the Caron, are the comprised works of several smaller articles. And, almost all the teachings of these books came from scholars or religious pilgrims who studied in Egypt. Now I am not saying that everything that is in these works of religious piety are solely Egyptian, no, this is not true. Though, the roots of these books and even the stories came from ancient Egyptian texts; the authors simply chopped up the ancient myths and legend and spiced them up with some aspects of their own culture or region.
In the Corpus Hermeticum, In the Section know as the Asclepius, an Egyptian-Greek living in Alexandria wrote that Egypt was the world's school of wisdom and the 'Shrine' of the world. He also called Egypt 'The Holy Land'... published more then a thousand years before any Christan, Jewish or Muslim texts were being composed for their Bibles. The Asclepius goes on to say, and I quote:
Dost thou not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is the image of the Heaven; or, what is truer still, the transference, or the descent, of all that are in governance or exercise in Heaven? And if more truly still it must be said,—this land of ours is the Shrine of all the World.
2. Further, in that ’tis fitting that the prudent should know all before, it is not right ye should be ignorant of this.
The time will come when Egypt will appear to have in vain served the Divinity with pious mind and constant worship; and all its holy cult will fall to nothingness and be in vain.
For that Divinity is now about to hasten back from Earth to Heaven, and Egypt shall be left; and Earth, which was the seat of the most pious cults, shall be bereft and widowed of the presence of the Gods.
...
Then shall this holiest land, seat of our shrines and temples, be choked with tombs and corpses. O Egypt, Egypt, of thy pious cults tales only will remain, as far beyond belief for thy own sons as for the rest of men; words only will be left cut on thy stones, thy pious deeds recounting!
...
Ay, for these Godly companies shall mount again to Heaven, and their forsaken worshipers shall all die out; and Egypt, thus bereft of Gods and man, shall be abandoned.
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XXV
1. Why dost thou weep, Asclepius? Nay, more than this, by far more wretched, Egypt herself shall be impelled and stained with greater ills.
For she, the Holy Land, and once deservedly the most beloved by the Gods, by reason of her pious service of the Gods on earth,—she, the sole colony of holiness, and teacher of religion, shall be the type of all that is most barbarous.
And then, out of our loathing for mankind, the World will seem no more deserving of our wonder and our praise.
...
And it (meaning the Gods) will prove a burden unto men; and on account of this they will despise and cease to love this Cosmos as a whole,—the changeless work of Gods.
...
For Darkness will be set before the Light... No one will raise his eyes to Heaven; the pious man will be considered mad, the impious a sage; the frenzied man held as strong, the worst as best.
...
Wow, Asclepius, new statutes shall come into force, a novel law; though naught [that is] sacred, nothing pious, naught that will be worthy of the Heaven, or Gods in Heaven, shall never be heard, or [even] mentally believed.
Now, this is only a small portion of the Asclepius and the Corpus Hermeticum on a whole. Though, it is clear to see that the Egyptians were well aware their gods would be abandoned and a new faith will sweep the land and rise from a novel idea, but in itself will be godless and without love in heaven (so, Christianity was this new unpios religion... followed by Jewdeism and Islam).
So, it seems all this trouble with religion happened when Egypt fell to the hands of ignorant Roman Christians and the world became godless due to it.
I had posted this in the Scince vs. the Bible, but I feel it is better suited to be placed here. Now I am not sure if this is the correct thread this should be in, but I feel it fits well here:
So we can all have a clearer understanding of these debates here, what the Christians call the Bible, the Jews the Torah, and the Muslims the Caron, are the comprised works of several smaller articles. And, almost all the teachings of these books came from scholars or religious pilgrims who studied in Egypt. Now I am not saying that everything that is in these works of religious piety are solely Egyptian, no, this is not true. Though, the roots of these books and even the stories came from ancient Egyptian texts; the authors simply chopped up the ancient myths and legend and spiced them up with some aspects of their own culture or region.
In the Corpus Hermeticum, In the Section know as the Asclepius, an Egyptian-Greek living in Alexandria wrote that Egypt was the world's school of wisdom and the 'Shrine' of the world. He also called Egypt 'The Holy Land'... published more then a thousand years before any Christan, Jewish or Muslim texts were being composed for their Bibles. The Asclepius goes on to say, and I quote:
Dost thou not know, Asclepius, that Egypt is the image of the Heaven; or, what is truer still, the transference, or the descent, of all that are in governance or exercise in Heaven? And if more truly still it must be said,—this land of ours is the Shrine of all the World.
2. Further, in that ’tis fitting that the prudent should know all before, it is not right ye should be ignorant of this.
The time will come when Egypt will appear to have in vain served the Divinity with pious mind and constant worship; and all its holy cult will fall to nothingness and be in vain.
For that Divinity is now about to hasten back from Earth to Heaven, and Egypt shall be left; and Earth, which was the seat of the most pious cults, shall be bereft and widowed of the presence of the Gods.
...
Then shall this holiest land, seat of our shrines and temples, be choked with tombs and corpses. O Egypt, Egypt, of thy pious cults tales only will remain, as far beyond belief for thy own sons as for the rest of men; words only will be left cut on thy stones, thy pious deeds recounting!
...
Ay, for these Godly companies shall mount again to Heaven, and their forsaken worshipers shall all die out; and Egypt, thus bereft of Gods and man, shall be abandoned.
...
XXV
1. Why dost thou weep, Asclepius? Nay, more than this, by far more wretched, Egypt herself shall be impelled and stained with greater ills.
For she, the Holy Land, and once deservedly the most beloved by the Gods, by reason of her pious service of the Gods on earth,—she, the sole colony of holiness, and teacher of religion, shall be the type of all that is most barbarous.
And then, out of our loathing for mankind, the World will seem no more deserving of our wonder and our praise.
...
And it (meaning the Gods) will prove a burden unto men; and on account of this they will despise and cease to love this Cosmos as a whole,—the changeless work of Gods.
...
For Darkness will be set before the Light... No one will raise his eyes to Heaven; the pious man will be considered mad, the impious a sage; the frenzied man held as strong, the worst as best.
...
Wow, Asclepius, new statutes shall come into force, a novel law; though naught [that is] sacred, nothing pious, naught that will be worthy of the Heaven, or Gods in Heaven, shall never be heard, or [even] mentally believed.
Now, this is only a small portion of the Asclepius and the Corpus Hermeticum on a whole. Though, it is clear to see that the Egyptians were well aware their gods would be abandoned and a new faith will sweep the land and rise from a novel idea, but in itself will be godless and without love in heaven (so, Christianity was this new unpios religion... followed by Jewdeism and Islam).
So, it seems all this trouble with religion happened when Egypt fell to the hands of ignorant Roman Christians and the world became godless due to it.
