Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...

[William]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?

What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?

Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

[Jagella]

Christianity is not about using brains

Well, you said it! LOL

Actually, many Christians are arguably very intelligent. It takes a lot of thinking to come up with reasons to believe in TIMITS and counter the arguments of skeptics. For example, rationalizing an eternal barbecue pit as the work of a loving God isn't easy.

[Tcg]

My friend if you are a Christian, then study the Bible for yourself. If you are not a Christian study the Bible for yourself. And when you have read it you can understand a little about hell and paradise. People most stop following people without knowing what the Bible say.

I'm not sure if this response is directed to me given that it doesn't address anything I stated.

If it is directed at me, then I will assure you that I have studied the Bible for myself. In fact I have a BS degree in the Bible. Part of my coursework included reading every word of the Bible in at least two different English versions and learning Koine Greek well enough to read some of the N.T. in it's original language. I also have a year of seminary under my belt and an M.S. degree in Christian counseling.

None of this makes me a scholar or even an expert in the Bible, but the fact is, I know the content of the Bible quite well due to my formal education and decades of study that followed. Oh, and yes, during all of my formal and informal study, I read about both hell and paradise. Your assumption that I haven't is totally unfounded.

My friend there is two ways for everybody in this world. Living with God forever, or dying in the lake OF fire forever. Two groups of people.

No, Christianity teaches this but there is no evidence to support this assertion. In fact, it is quite clear that there is one group of people. We all live some number of years and then we die and death is final. No biggie. This is true of all animals.

And for the Christians the one belong to God is this class of person. They are few.Revelation 12:17and 14:12.

I'm not sure if the author of Revelation suffered some disease that lead to his hallucinations or if they were the result of ingesting mushrooms or some other hallucinogens. In either case, there is no reason to consider anything he wrote about these hallucinations to corelate to reality past, present, or future.

[JehovahsWitness]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

The problem with saying such a thing above and beyond that it alienates people is that it implies a human has the right to judge another person's eternal future. Personally I believe nobody on earth has such authority. I believe Christians have no authority to judge, only inform others of God's standards and the consequences for defying them, in short inform anyone willing to listen what the bible says, and leave anything beyond that to the Almighty.

As one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES I do not believe in "hell" as in, the eternal torture of the wicked after they die, but I do believe that the incorrigibly wicked will be be destroyed (ie be dead (non existent) forever).

It is not for me to say who is "incorrigibly wicked",


JW

[steveb1]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?
What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?
Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

...Yes, from the POV of the witnessed-to person, it's usually and not unexpectedly, viewed as a complete insult.

It is based on the witnessing party's view of the targeted person as having some sad deficiency (namely, lack of the state of grace that permits salvation) which only the witnessing person - of course, only with God's help! - can hope to correct. Absolutely insulting and egregiously wrong-headed.

But from the witnessing person's side, it is an act of ultimate compassion - the giving of vital information essential to the targeted person's eternal status with regard to God, heaven, and hell.

An unresolvable dichotomy in any democratic country where free speech permits witnessing people to collar others to give them The Talk.

However, free countries usually have a legal clause that states the witnessed-to party has the right to simply tell the witnessing party to "F--k off!" ... and if the witnessing party refuses to stop annoying the targeted person, the targeted person can invoke the law to be rid of the irritating witnesser.

[marco]

My friend if you are a Christian, then study the Bible for yourself. If you are not a Christian study the Bible for yourself. And when you have read it you can understand a little about hell and paradise. People most stop following people without knowing what the Bible say.

My friend there is two ways for everybody in this world. Living with God forever, or dying in the lake OF fire forever. Two groups of people.

And for the Christians the one belong to God is this class of person. They are few.Revelation 12:17and 14:12.

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This and your previous post illustrate preaching. You are asked to present arguments not patronising advice to posters who may not share your views. By all means defend your beliefs, but avoid preaching.





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[rikuoamero]

Use your brain with any knowledge who can you bring to Jesus foot. Christianity is not about using brains. It is all about the Holy Spirit in you who talk himself trough you. People who hate is not mature yet. Jesus says love your enemy and pray for the one who is after you.

Mind if I quote this in the future when other Christians insist to me there's reason, logic and evidence behind their religion?

[dianaiad]

Is it entirely unnecessary and insulting to inform people...That they are evil in the sight of GOD and bound for hell?

As a human being, how is such theology acceptable and a good and reasonable thing to be stating or even implying of others, on a debate forum or even in day to day life?

Are people right to be able to take a stand against such theology and call it out for being dated, dark, based upon information from dark ages, based in ignorance and evil of intent?
What gives individuals the right to say such things about others?
Is it a form of abuse?

Should others have to take that kind of abuse about their persons without protesting it?

...Yes, from the POV of the witnessed-to person, it's usually and not unexpectedly, viewed as a complete insult.

It is based on the witnessing party's view of the targeted person as having some sad deficiency (namely, lack of the state of grace that permits salvation) which only the witnessing person - of course, only with God's help! - can hope to correct. Absolutely insulting and egregiously wrong-headed.

But from the witnessing person's side, it is an act of ultimate compassion - the giving of vital information essential to the targeted person's eternal status with regard to God, heaven, and hell.

An unresolvable dichotomy in any democratic country where free speech permits witnessing people to collar others to give them The Talk.

However, free countries usually have a legal clause that states the witnessed-to party has the right to simply tell the witnessing party to "F--k off!" ... and if the witnessing party refuses to stop annoying the targeted person, the targeted person can invoke the law to be rid of the irritating witnesser.

Moderator Comment

While it is commendable to defend free speech in 'free countries' for both the 'witness' and the 'witnessed to' please remember that DC&R has a rule against using profanity, even when coded or asterisked out. In HERE, you need to express the same sentiments using less...succinctly forcible and profane...language.

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[Pipiripi]

My friend if you are a Christian, then study the Bible for yourself. If you are not a Christian study the Bible for yourself. And when you have read it you can understand a little about hell and paradise. People most stop following people without knowing what the Bible say.

My friend there is two ways for everybody in this world. Living with God forever, or dying in the lake OF fire forever. Two groups of people.

And for the Christians the one belong to God is this class of person. They are few.Revelation 12:17and 14:12.

Moderator Comment



This and your previous post illustrate preaching. You are asked to present arguments not patronising advice to posters who may not share your views. By all means defend your beliefs, but avoid preaching.

The whole Bible is LEARNING and bring people to Jesus. Debating means discussion about something to find out the truth. Go on YouTube and learn when you see what is debating. Everything in the Bible is for sinners to repent. The Bible is not a book like others book. The Bible is to help people find the small pad and enter in it. The Bible is not take a part of it makes your own story, opposite the true story of the content. The Bible is a book of live, not a book of going against live. The Bible is a book of hoop and believes, not a book for see and then belief. Preaching is the same as saying. It is just repeating what is written in some action. The Bible is to knowing who is false prophet and who is God prophet. The Bible is a book of real event, not a just inventing story. If everybody in this world who proclaims that they know the Bible and LIVING it. Jesus doesn't have to died for to return and taken HIS. You are using rules against the Bible rules. Against God. Jesus says go and preached around the world, other wise He will not come. People are looking for salvation because they believe.
My friend if all what I bring is preaching for you. Learn of it and search for salvation.



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[steveb1]

[Replying to post 17 by dianaiad]

Oops, my bad. Glad you caught it. I'd forgotten that particular rule and that it would apply to the use of asterisks.

[Pipiripi]

My friend if you are a Christian, then study the Bible for yourself. If you are not a Christian study the Bible for yourself. And when you have read it you can understand a little about hell and paradise. People most stop following people without knowing what the Bible say.

I'm not sure if this response is directed to me given that it doesn't address anything I stated.

If it is directed at me, then I will assure you that I have studied the Bible for myself. In fact I have a BS degree in the Bible. Part of my coursework included reading every word of the Bible in at least two different English versions and learning Koine Greek well enough to read some of the N.T. in it's original language. I also have a year of seminary under my belt and an M.S. degree in Christian counseling.

None of this makes me a scholar or even an expert in the Bible, but the fact is, I know the content of the Bible quite well due to my formal education and decades of study that followed. Oh, and yes, during all of my formal and informal study, I read about both hell and paradise. Your assumption that I haven't is totally unfounded.

My friend there is two ways for everybody in this world. Living with God forever, or dying in the lake OF fire forever. Two groups of people.

No, Christianity teaches this but there is no evidence to support this assertion. In fact, it is quite clear that there is one group of people. We all live some number of years and then we die and death is final. No biggie. This is true of all animals.

Read Matthew 25:31-46. Sound this like one group or two groups!!
Do you see now that this is what you must know? Tomorrow you also can tell an other person that there will be two groups by the end of the world.

And for the Christians the one belong to God is this class of person. They are few.Revelation 12:17and 14:12.

I'm not sure if the author of Revelation suffered some disease that lead to his hallucinations or if they were the result of ingesting mushrooms or some other hallucinogens. In either case, there is no reason to consider anything he wrote about these hallucinations to corelate to reality past, present, or future.

The author of Revelation is the same author who has write the books of John. And that author is John self.