What is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator?
The Holy Bible-Qur'an names YHWH Allah.
YHWH Allah = LORD God?
YHWH Allah
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There is no “Judeo-Christian-Islamic� name:
You will not find God saying His name is YHWH. God did give the Jewish Nation a Name that He should be called by:
Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
God’s Memorial to all Generations should have included Christianity and Islam calling God by this Name.
Also “ALLAH� means “God�, So that when people thought the Moon was God, They had no problem looking at the Moon and calling it “Allah�, Later when they got a better understanding of God, and realized the Moon was not God, Then they stopped calling the Moon “God or Allah�.
Allah is not the Moon God, it was the Moon believed to be God at that time.
Also, Christianity uses the Name “Father� for God quite a bit. The Name “Father� was not to be used for any man on earth. We all have dads with a Formal name, But very few children use their parents formal names, Many parents would not allow the child to use the formal names.
God has a Formal Name:
The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
He also has one He would prefer we use:
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
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You will not find God saying His name is YHWH. God did give the Jewish Nation a Name that He should be called by:
Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
God’s Memorial to all Generations should have included Christianity and Islam calling God by this Name.
Also “ALLAH� means “God�, So that when people thought the Moon was God, They had no problem looking at the Moon and calling it “Allah�, Later when they got a better understanding of God, and realized the Moon was not God, Then they stopped calling the Moon “God or Allah�.
Allah is not the Moon God, it was the Moon believed to be God at that time.
Also, Christianity uses the Name “Father� for God quite a bit. The Name “Father� was not to be used for any man on earth. We all have dads with a Formal name, But very few children use their parents formal names, Many parents would not allow the child to use the formal names.
God has a Formal Name:
The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
He also has one He would prefer we use:
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Ken
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Garry Denke.
YHWH Allah does not render Modern Lord God. YHWH and Allah are two different proper Names, Both can stand for “Lord God�.
Use YHWH or use Allah, They do not go together forming one name for God. YHWH did not take the Name of Allah as a Surname.
Jesus was given a surname, NONE ELSE.
None showeth, None declareth, When I called, None did answer, None can by any means redeem His brother.
Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Sun likened to the throne of Christ (Psalms 89:36) Moon seen as the establishment of the throne (Psalms 89:37) moon is turned into blood or the Blood of Christ establishes the throne.
Ken
YHWH Allah does not render Modern Lord God. YHWH and Allah are two different proper Names, Both can stand for “Lord God�.
Use YHWH or use Allah, They do not go together forming one name for God. YHWH did not take the Name of Allah as a Surname.
Jesus was given a surname, NONE ELSE.
None showeth, None declareth, When I called, None did answer, None can by any means redeem His brother.
Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Sun likened to the throne of Christ (Psalms 89:36) Moon seen as the establishment of the throne (Psalms 89:37) moon is turned into blood or the Blood of Christ establishes the throne.
Ken
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Garry Denke.
We have English words. God, Lord God Almighty, Father, I AM, Etc, all Proper names for God. So I do not see a need for the use of YHWH and certainly not for YHWH Allah which does not even make sense.
That is like calling Him “God God�, Father Father� etc.
I am sure that anyone who uses YHWH as a name for God, Would take YHWH Allah as an insult, is that what you are trying to do? I also think many in Islam would take it as an insult to attach another name to “Allah�
As each name alone points to the person of God, Just what is it that you are doing with this?
Ken
We have English words. God, Lord God Almighty, Father, I AM, Etc, all Proper names for God. So I do not see a need for the use of YHWH and certainly not for YHWH Allah which does not even make sense.
That is like calling Him “God God�, Father Father� etc.
I am sure that anyone who uses YHWH as a name for God, Would take YHWH Allah as an insult, is that what you are trying to do? I also think many in Islam would take it as an insult to attach another name to “Allah�
As each name alone points to the person of God, Just what is it that you are doing with this?
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Post #7"LORD God" is "YHWH Allah"
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Thus the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator
is the "LORD God" new name "YHWH Allah" in English.
G-D the Creator
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Thus the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator
is the "LORD God" new name "YHWH Allah" in English.
G-D the Creator
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Garry Denke.
Cute, The Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the Cross seen as 7 days or time periods, Seen as three different pictures of the day. The Messages to the Seven Churches in Chapter 2 and 3 are steps to God, They can be seen as steps by just looking at what the overcomers get.
You took part of the Sixth step to God. You can explain what “Go out no more means�? Or you should be able to. Scripture says that no man can find “OUT�. And also speaks of beyond finding “OUT�
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The Seventh step we get to sit with Jesus in His Throne, That step is earthly death.
Being given the New Name is Old Testament prophecy:
ISAIAH 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
All prophecies had to be fulfilled the day of the Cross:
Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Jesus just has to drink of the fruit of the vine, The Father’s Kingdom has come, and allow Himself to die. VINEgar is a fruit of the VINE.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
So that New Name had to be SPOKEN the day of the Cross. The day started at Sunset as the Last Supper began, and ended at Sunset as Jesus was just placed in the Sepulchre. The same as every prophecy had to be fulfilled, and was.
Now YHWH Allah was not spoken, And “Lord God� would not be considered a New Name. YHWH Allah does not come out “Lord God� anyway.
You are about 1979 years too late to fulfill a prophecy.
Ken
Cute, The Book of Revelation is looking at the day of the Cross seen as 7 days or time periods, Seen as three different pictures of the day. The Messages to the Seven Churches in Chapter 2 and 3 are steps to God, They can be seen as steps by just looking at what the overcomers get.
You took part of the Sixth step to God. You can explain what “Go out no more means�? Or you should be able to. Scripture says that no man can find “OUT�. And also speaks of beyond finding “OUT�
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The Seventh step we get to sit with Jesus in His Throne, That step is earthly death.
Being given the New Name is Old Testament prophecy:
ISAIAH 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
All prophecies had to be fulfilled the day of the Cross:
Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Jesus just has to drink of the fruit of the vine, The Father’s Kingdom has come, and allow Himself to die. VINEgar is a fruit of the VINE.
29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
So that New Name had to be SPOKEN the day of the Cross. The day started at Sunset as the Last Supper began, and ended at Sunset as Jesus was just placed in the Sepulchre. The same as every prophecy had to be fulfilled, and was.
Now YHWH Allah was not spoken, And “Lord God� would not be considered a New Name. YHWH Allah does not come out “Lord God� anyway.
You are about 1979 years too late to fulfill a prophecy.
Ken
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Re: G-D the Creator
Post #9Not to destroy you through knowledge, but the YHWH of reference in the Tanach was not a man-made idol that is quoted in the Qu'ran as the enemy of the people God called His people (Jews). That invention of sand pirates doesn't exist except in the minds of the deluded. "Allah" stands for the enemies of the God of the Bible, existing in the imaginations of men who had their beginnings among desert dwellers having too much sun on their heads.Garry Denke wrote:
Thus the Judeo-Christian-Islamic name of the Creator
is the "LORD God" new name "YHWH Allah" in English.
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Post #10A Binational Israel-Palestine
In South Africa, once supporters of apartheid figured out that no amount of repressing or fencing off blacks and no amount of punishing military raids against the country's neighbors could bring them peace, they finally settled for that good old standby of democracies: a one-person-one-vote system within a unitary state.
That wasn't an easy decision for white - or black - South Africans. On both sides there were centuries of hostility and harm to overcome before they could accept the "other" kind of folk as fellow-citizens. But by 1990, the situation had become intolerable - for white as well as black South Africans. The country's transformation to democracy was difficult for some, and, as in all democracies, problems remain. But in general, it was overwhelmingly successful and deeply inspiring.
So why not in Israel-Palestine? If Israeli settlers want to stay in the West Bank - let them stay! But if they want to stay there and be part of a community built on long-term peace, then they cannot refuse to give equal rights within the whole of an expanded state of Israel-Palestine to all Palestinians who want to be a part of it.
The end of the dream of a monocultural "Jewish state"? Yes. But in the Holy Land, as in South Africa, it could be the start of a hopeful new chapter in human history. For Jewish Israelis, as for Afrikaans-speaking and English-speaking South Africans, they could still be living in a multicultural state in which their language, their culture, and their religion would be fully embraced.
The idea of a binational (Hebrew-Arabic) state in historic Palestine was first proposed in the 1930s by Jewish thinkers like Martin Buber and Judah Magness. Now, increasing numbers of intellectuals on both sides are discussing it anew.
At a time of so much despair in the Middle East, this idea - based on the deepest concepts of human equality and respect among peoples - might give us all fresh hope.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1009/p09s02-coop.html
YHWH Allah = LORD God
In South Africa, once supporters of apartheid figured out that no amount of repressing or fencing off blacks and no amount of punishing military raids against the country's neighbors could bring them peace, they finally settled for that good old standby of democracies: a one-person-one-vote system within a unitary state.
That wasn't an easy decision for white - or black - South Africans. On both sides there were centuries of hostility and harm to overcome before they could accept the "other" kind of folk as fellow-citizens. But by 1990, the situation had become intolerable - for white as well as black South Africans. The country's transformation to democracy was difficult for some, and, as in all democracies, problems remain. But in general, it was overwhelmingly successful and deeply inspiring.
So why not in Israel-Palestine? If Israeli settlers want to stay in the West Bank - let them stay! But if they want to stay there and be part of a community built on long-term peace, then they cannot refuse to give equal rights within the whole of an expanded state of Israel-Palestine to all Palestinians who want to be a part of it.
The end of the dream of a monocultural "Jewish state"? Yes. But in the Holy Land, as in South Africa, it could be the start of a hopeful new chapter in human history. For Jewish Israelis, as for Afrikaans-speaking and English-speaking South Africans, they could still be living in a multicultural state in which their language, their culture, and their religion would be fully embraced.
The idea of a binational (Hebrew-Arabic) state in historic Palestine was first proposed in the 1930s by Jewish thinkers like Martin Buber and Judah Magness. Now, increasing numbers of intellectuals on both sides are discussing it anew.
At a time of so much despair in the Middle East, this idea - based on the deepest concepts of human equality and respect among peoples - might give us all fresh hope.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1009/p09s02-coop.html
YHWH Allah = LORD God
