Exodus 3:2, “The angel of the LORD appeared unto (Moses) in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.” And so, Israel a bush burned with fire, yet not consumed. The chosen people of God, remain the apple of his eye They have been expelled, exposed to misery, persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and murdered from the time of their captivity in Egypt to this very day, yet Israel lives as a nation. Have you ever asked yourself why, why have the Jews been persecuted so horribly, yet preserved as a people and nation?
God's Plan:
The LORD planned to use a descendant of Noah, from the line of his firstborn son, Shem, to separate a people for himself and create a nation. And through all their corruption, and foolishness, the Jews remain the “apple of God’s eye.” Here is the LORD’s explicit declaration to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, his twelve sons, and all the generations to follow.
Genesis 12:2, “I (the LORD) will make of you a great nation, I will bless you, and make your name great,” The promise of a nation assumes the existence of a national homeland.
Genesis 17:19, “Sarah your wife shall bear you a son indeed, and you shall call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING covenant, and with his seed (his descendants) after him.”
Now because they sinned against God, the ten Northern tribes were overrun by the Assyrians in 790 B.C. The Babylonians murdered tens of thousands of Jews, and in 586 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the Temple and the city of Jerusalem. Around 465 B.C. the Jews escaped the ruin designed for them by Haman. They would suffer the onslaught of Ptolemy Lagus King of Egypt, the dispersion by Seleucus Nicator, the slaughter by Antiochus Epiphanes, the ravaging by Crassus the Roman General, and by Herod the Great.
After murdering the Lord Jesus, the scepter would temporally depart from Judah. But this was only the beginning of Israel’s calamities.
Deuteronomy 28:29, “And you (Israel) shall grope at noonday, as the blind grope in darkness, and you shall not prosper in your ways: and you shall be only oppressed and spoiled (be plundered continually) evermore, and no man shall save you.” See Mathew 24.
Matthew 27:25, As the Lord hung from the cross, the people cried out, “Let his blood be on us and our children.” The people put a curse on their own heads and the heads of their children. Thousands would be killed at Cesarea, Damascus, Bethshan, and Alexandria, by Vespasian, and by the Roman Legions led by Titus. In Jerusalem, over a million were killed, and at Masasada a thousand more died by their own hand. Then the Roman Catholics began their persecution of Jews, this followed by the Islamic hordes, the Ottoman, and most recently Adolph Hitler and his Nazi party who took the lives of 6 million. The LORD’s judgments upon the Jews have been terrible, extending to the people, their religion, and the land. Their ceremonies essential to their religion are no longer observed, except by the Orthodox Jews: also, no longer observed is their ritual law, for they remain without a Temple, altar, and sacrifice.
But the LORD has kept his promise, Ezekiel 37:24, “I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and all your idols, will I cleanse you.”
The time of cleansing had arrived: It began on May 14, 1948, when a generation of newborn babies came into the World. God’s promise, “This generation shall not pass away until all these things (Matthew wrote about) are fulfilled.” This generation is now 76 years of age. Israel is at war in the North, South and West. Antisemitism abounds throughout the world, and hatred against them is on the rise. There remains for them one friend, the community of Christians. We must continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
The bush of Moses, surrounded with flames, forever burns, yet it will never be consumed.
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Post #2[Replying to The Third Eye in post #2]
You asked, "Are the Jews done with God?"
The Orthodox Jews remain in touch with Jehovah and the law but reject the Son, They believe Jesus existed, but only as a man. Hmm, that's exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, imagine that. Many Jews have become Christians, so I suppose they're good with the LORD. But there are Jews, as well as Gentiles who reject even the idea of there being a God. The Orthodox Jews and unbelieving Jews will be dealt with in the period called "The time of Jacob's trouble" and I believe that time is right around the corner!
You never say much, so let me ask you, "What are your thoughts about "Are the Jews done with God?"
You asked, "Are the Jews done with God?"
The Orthodox Jews remain in touch with Jehovah and the law but reject the Son, They believe Jesus existed, but only as a man. Hmm, that's exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, imagine that. Many Jews have become Christians, so I suppose they're good with the LORD. But there are Jews, as well as Gentiles who reject even the idea of there being a God. The Orthodox Jews and unbelieving Jews will be dealt with in the period called "The time of Jacob's trouble" and I believe that time is right around the corner!
You never say much, so let me ask you, "What are your thoughts about "Are the Jews done with God?"
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Yes God is done with the Jews as a whole. (Of course there are many individual Jews who have accepted Christ as their savior.) Jesus said that Israel's "house is abandoned to you." (Matthew 23:37,38) He said also: "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43)
Peter wrote to the Christian congregation in Asia: "YOU are 'a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10)
Luke wrote: "Symeon [Peter] has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)
The Jewish leaders refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah and ended up killing him. Why would God keep them as His special people? They also broke their contract with Him over and over again. He never broke it. They did.
Yes God is done with the Jews as a whole. (Of course there are many individual Jews who have accepted Christ as their savior.) Jesus said that Israel's "house is abandoned to you." (Matthew 23:37,38) He said also: "The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43)
Peter wrote to the Christian congregation in Asia: "YOU are 'a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies' of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. For you were once not a people, but are now God's people." (I Peter 2:9,10)
Luke wrote: "Symeon [Peter] has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." (Acts 15:14)
The Jewish leaders refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah and ended up killing him. Why would God keep them as His special people? They also broke their contract with Him over and over again. He never broke it. They did.
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Post #4That is a lie. We do not think that Jesus was only a man. He is the Son of God who came down from heaven, carried out his Father's instructions, then was resurrected back to life and is now in heaven at the right hand of God. He is NOW our King who is involved in organizing the preaching of the Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:18-20)placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:14 am [Replying to The Third Eye in post #2]
You asked, "Are the Jews done with God?"
The Orthodox Jews remain in touch with Jehovah and the law but reject the Son, They believe Jesus existed, but only as a man. Hmm, that's exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, imagine that.
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Post #5I concur with OWH. JWs do NOT believe that Jesus was only a man. He was a perfect man and he is Jehovah's only begotten son.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:11 pmThat is a lie. We do not think that Jesus was only a man. He is the Son of God who came down from heaven, carried out his Father's instructions, then was resurrected back to life and is now in heaven at the right hand of God. He is NOW our King who is involved in organizing the preaching of the Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:18-20)placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:14 am [Replying to The Third Eye in post #2]
You asked, "Are the Jews done with God?"
The Orthodox Jews remain in touch with Jehovah and the law but reject the Son, They believe Jesus existed, but only as a man. Hmm, that's exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, imagine that.
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Post #6What do you mean by the Son of God? And what's the difference between that and Jesus being called the Son of man? You teach that the devil is a son of God, and men are sons of God, so how in your mind does Jesus differ? What form is Jesus now in? If he came down from heaven what would Jesus look like?onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:11 pmThat is a lie. We do not think that Jesus was only a man. He is the Son of God who came down from heaven, carried out his Father's instructions, then was resurrected back to life and is now in heaven at the right hand of God. He is NOW our King who is involved in organizing the preaching of the Kingdom. (Matthew 24:14; Matthew 28:18-20)placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:14 am [Replying to The Third Eye in post #2]
You asked, "Are the Jews done with God?"
The Orthodox Jews remain in touch with Jehovah and the law but reject the Son, They believe Jesus existed, but only as a man. Hmm, that's exactly what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, imagine that.
In Acts 3:13, the N.W.T. changed Son to Servant.
In Acts 8:37, the N.W.T. left the numbers 37-38 in, but removed the whole verse (its blank) that contains the following, "And he (the eunuch) answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
In Acts 13:33, the N.W.T. changed "Son" to "son," lowercase.
In Romans 1:3, the N.W.T. put Son in, but left out, Jesus Christ our Lord," And I can go on and on. I bet they never left out or changed the name Jehovah in any verse. But when it comes to Jesus, different ball game.
Revelation 22:18-19, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life,"
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VARIOUS TRANSLATIONS
New International Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
New Living Translation
For it is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—the God of all our ancestors—who has brought glory to his servant Jesus by doing this. This is the same Jesus whom you handed over and rejected before Pilate, despite Pilate’s decision to release him.
English Standard Version
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.
Berean Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
Berean Literal Bible
The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him.
New King James Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
New American Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you handed over and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
NASB 1995
“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
NASB 1977
“The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered up, and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
Legacy Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
Amplified Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant and Son Jesus [doing Him this honor], the One whom you handed over and disowned and rejected before Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
Christian Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified his servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied before Pilate, though he had decided to release him.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.
American Standard Version
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
Contemporary English Version
The God that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and our other ancestors worshiped has brought honor to his Servant Jesus. He is the one you betrayed. You turned against him when he was being tried by Pilate, even though Pilate wanted to set him free.
English Revised Version
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
The God of our ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed Jesus over to Pilate. You rejected him in Pilate's presence, even though Pilate had decided to let him go free.
Good News Translation
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus. But you handed him over to the authorities, and you rejected him in Pilate's presence, even after Pilate had decided to set him free.
International Standard Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—the God of our ancestors—has glorified his servant Jesus, whom you betrayed and rejected in the presence of Pilate, even though he had decided to let him go.
Majority Standard Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
NET Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his servant Jesus, whom you handed over and rejected in the presence of Pilate after he had decided to release him.
New Heart English Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up, and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
Weymouth New Testament
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has conferred this honour on His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to let Him go.
World English Bible
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
Berean Literal Bible
The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him.
New American Bible
The God of Abraham, [the God] of Isaac, and [the God] of Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has glorified his servant Jesus whom you handed over and denied in Pilate’s presence, when he had decided to release him.
New Revised Standard Version
The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our ancestors has glorified his servant Jesus, whom you handed over and rejected in the presence of Pilate, though he had decided to release him.
Weymouth New Testament
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has conferred this honour on His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to let Him go.
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Re: Is God done with the Jews?
Post #8placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:17 pm
In Acts 8:37, the N.W.T. left the numbers 37-38 in, but removed the whole verse (its blank) that contains the following, "And he (the eunuch) answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

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Here are some Bible translations that omit Acts 8:37:Acts 8:37 is omitted from many Bible translations because the earliest Greek manuscript to include it dates from the late 6th or early 7th century. The majority of Greek manuscripts copied after 600 AD do not include the verse source :
- Moffatt: Omits the verse entirely
- Goodspeed: Omits the verse entirely
- Schonfield: Omits the verse entirely
- Robinson & Pierpont Majority Text: Omits the verse entirely
- Byzantine Version: Omits the verse
- Westcott and Hort's version of the Greek New Testament: Omits the verse
- The Greek New Testament (Majority Text): Omits the verse, but mentions it in the apparatus
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Post #9placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:17 pm In Romans 1:3, the N.W.T. put Son in, but left out, Jesus Christ our Lord," ...
New International Version
regarding his Son , who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,
New Living Translation
The Good News is about his Son . In his earthly life he was born into King David’s family line,
English Standard Version
concerning his Son , who was descended from David according to the flesh
Berean Standard Bible
regarding His Son , who was a descendant of David according to the flesh,
Berean Literal Bible
concerning His Son , having come of the seed of David according to flesh,
New American Standard Bible
concerning His Son , who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
NASB 1995
concerning His Son , who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
NASB 1977
concerning His Son , who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
Legacy Standard Bible
concerning His Son , who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
Amplified Bible
[the good news] regarding His Son , who, as to the flesh [His human nature], was born a descendant of David [to fulfill the covenant promises],
Christian Standard Bible
concerning his Son , Jesus Christ our Lord, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh
American Standard Version
concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
English Revised Version
concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
International Standard Version
regarding his Son. He was a descendant of David with respect to his humanity
Majority Standard Bible
regarding His Son, who was a descendant of David according to the flesh,
NET Bible
concerning his Son who was a descendant of David with reference to the flesh,
New Heart English Bible
concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,
World English Bible
concerning his Son, who was born of the offspring of David according to the flesh,
Literal Standard Version
concerning His Son ,—who has come of the seed of David according to the flesh,
Berean Literal Bible
concerning His Son ,, having come of the seed of David according to flesh,
Young's Literal Translation
concerning His Son ,, (who is come of the seed of David according to the flesh,
Smith's Literal Translation
Concerning his Son , born of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Concerning his Son, who was made to him of the seed of David, according to the flesh,
Catholic Public Domain Version
about his Son, who was made for him from the offspring of David according to the flesh,
New American Bible
the gospel about his Son, descended from David according to the flesh,
New Revised Standard Version
the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh
Lamsa Bible
Concerning his son , who was born in the flesh of the seed of the house of David,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
About his Son, who is begotten in the flesh from the seed of the house of David,
Godbey New Testament
concerning his Son, having been born of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Haweis New Testament
concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord; made from the seed of David after the flesh,
Mace New Testament
with relation to his son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was of the lineage of David as to his body,
Worrell New Testament
concerning His Son , Who was born of the seed of David, according to His flesh,
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Re: Is God done with the Jews?
Post #10As a nation , yes, as in the national group or political States of Israel no longer have a special relationship with God.
The modern day State of Israel does not have divine backing and will be destroyed at Armageddon along with all the other political States of this world.That said , INDIVIDUALS from any national group (including the natural/biological descendants of Abraham) can come into divine favor if they accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and worship the True God Jehovah.
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