Clarifying questions for JW's

[Revelations won]

I have a few clarifying question for JW's as follows.

1. Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?

2. Do you claim that Jesus the Christd oes not now have a body of flesh and bones?

[onewithhim]

I have a few clarifying question for JW's as follows.

1. Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?

2. Do you claim that Jesus the Christd oes not now have a body of flesh and bones?

1. Jesus Christ is not a mortal being like us. He is now at the right hand of the Father in the heavens, living in incomparable light in the spirit realm. (I Timothy 6:16)

2. Jesus Christ does not now have a body of flesh and bones. A physical body could not withstand being in the spirit realm where God is. Also, to take back a body of flesh and bone, Jesus would be taking back his sacrifice in our behalf and we would still be in our sins. He was raised a spirit Being, as scriptures attest:
"The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam [Christ] became a life-giving spirit." (I Corinthians 15:45)

"Even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit." (I Peter 3:18)

[placebofactor]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

Onewithhim, you were asked, "Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?" And, "Do you claim that Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones?"

Two great questions: You replied, "Jesus Christ is not a mortal being like us, and Jesus Christ does not now have a body of flesh and bones."

1. Can you explain the following so we can better understand what you mean? If Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones, then, why did he show the marks of crucifixion on his hands and, on his side to his disciples, proving he was raised alive, in the flesh, from the dead?

2. Why did Jesus then have Thomas, who is, often called 'doubting Thomas, John 20:27, quoted from the N.W.T. "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving." unbelieving." Was he trying to trick his disciples into believing he was in a physical body of flesh and bone but now immortal, and incorruptible?

Being immortal and incorruptible in the flesh means exactly that. He is now in flesh and bone capable of living, as we will be, in heaven and on earth, immortal, and incorruptible.

Jesus ate fish with his disciples after he was raised from the dead. John 21:12 and 15.

Entering into glory with a body of flesh and bone immortal and incorruptible is not beyond the power of God to accomplish.

Then you wrote, "Also, to take back a body of flesh and bone, Jesus would be taking back his sacrifice in our behalf, and we would still be in our sins."

Jesus' body of flesh and bone suffered our punishment, it didn't save us. I was unaware that it was his flesh and bone that saved us, I am of the understanding it was His shed blood that saved us from our sins.

Ephesians 1:7, Jesus, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,"

Romans 5:9, We are justified by his blood."

Hebrews 9:22, "Almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And saved Christians we will be seen in heaven as those who, "have washed (our) robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The type: The High priest of the Jews entered the holy of holies once each year, not with the flesh of the sacrifice, but with the blood of the sacrifice. He would sprinkle the blood on the four horns of the altar, and if Jehovah accepted the offering, he showed himself with his Shekinah glory on the mercy seat that sat on top of the Ark of the Covenant. That was the type, Christ is the antitype who took the cup his father gave him, filled it with his blood, and presented it to him in heaven. Of course, we know it was accepted.

So, in conclusion, those who are saved by faith will be raised from the grave in our body of flesh and bone. See Matthew 27:52-52. The difference is our new bodies will be "Immortal and incorruptible, free from the bondage of sin, free from disease and sickness, free to live on earth and in heaven.

Lastly, the following was written by John, who witnessed Jesus' resurrection, about 60 years after he was raised from death to life.

2 John 7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." This verse is not speaking of Jesus coming to us as a child, but of his coming to us in flesh and bone in his resurrected body,

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

Onewithhim, you were asked, "Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?" And, "Do you claim that Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones?"

Two great questions: You replied, "Jesus Christ is not a mortal being like us, and Jesus Christ does not now have a body of flesh and bones."

1. Can you explain the following so we can better understand what you mean? If Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones, then, why did he show the marks of crucifixion on his hands and, on his side to his disciples, proving he was raised alive, in the flesh, from the dead?

2. Why did Jesus then have Thomas, who is, often called 'doubting Thomas, John 20:27, quoted from the N.W.T. "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving." unbelieving." Was he trying to trick his disciples into believing he was in a physical body of flesh and bone but now immortal, and incorruptible?

Being immortal and incorruptible in the flesh means exactly that. He is now in flesh and bone capable of living, as we will be, in heaven and on earth, immortal, and incorruptible.

Jesus ate fish with his disciples after he was raised from the dead. John 21:12 and 15.

Entering into glory with a body of flesh and bone immortal and incorruptible is not beyond the power of God to accomplish.

Then you wrote, "Also, to take back a body of flesh and bone, Jesus would be taking back his sacrifice in our behalf, and we would still be in our sins."

Jesus' body of flesh and bone suffered our punishment, it didn't save us. I was unaware that it was his flesh and bone that saved us, I am of the understanding it was His shed blood that saved us from our sins.

Ephesians 1:7, Jesus, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,"

Romans 5:9, We are justified by his blood."

Hebrews 9:22, "Almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And saved Christians we will be seen in heaven as those who, "have washed (our) robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The type: The High priest of the Jews entered the holy of holies once each year, not with the flesh of the sacrifice, but with the blood of the sacrifice. He would sprinkle the blood on the four horns of the altar, and if Jehovah accepted the offering, he showed himself with his Shekinah glory on the mercy seat that sat on top of the Ark of the Covenant. That was the type, Christ is the antitype who took the cup his father gave him, filled it with his blood, and presented it to him in heaven. Of course, we know it was accepted.

So, in conclusion, those who are saved by faith will be raised from the grave in our body of flesh and bone. See Matthew 27:52-52. The difference is our new bodies will be "Immortal and incorruptible, free from the bondage of sin, free from disease and sickness, free to live on earth and in heaven.

Lastly, the following was written by John, who witnessed Jesus' resurrection, about 60 years after he was raised from death to life.

2 John 7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." This verse is not speaking of Jesus coming to us as a child, but of his coming to us in flesh and bone in his resurrected body,

Answer to your question #1. Jesus showed Thomas the marks of his crucifixion just to show him that he, Thomas, was not hallucinating. He couldn't have been in a physical body because he had just entered the room through a locked door. (John 20:19) He was raised alive, but in a spirit body, just like God and the angels have. He couldn't live in the spirit realm with a physical body.

Question #2. Jesus wasn't trying to trick anybody. He just wanted the disciples to know that he was alive, that it was really he. "Flesh...cannot inherit the kingdom of God." (I Corinthians 15:50) Therefore Jesus must have been raised in the spirit. Where do you get the idea that "flesh and bone" can inherit the kingdom? Flesh and anything---blood or bone---cannot inherit the kingdom.

I Corinthians speaks about being incorruptible. If you read all of chapter 15 you can see that it is with spirit bodies that the disciples would be incorruptible, not with "natural" bodies, or, physical bodies. (I Corinthians 15:40-51) They would die in the flesh and be raised in the spirit. (Vs. 44)

Jesus ate fish, indeed. So did the angels that appeared to Abraham (though it was meat and bread). They ate, but were spirit persons who had changed their bodies into physical ones to interact with Abraham. (Genesis 18:2-8) "Jehovah" was said to be speaking to Abraham, but of course it was Jehovah's angel that represented Him. The two angels went on to Sodom to deal with Lot.

Jesus' death, with the pouring out of his blood, is what saves us. All we have to do is believe him and follow in his steps. He gave up his fleshly body once for all time and now "dwells in unapproachable light which no man has seen nor can see." (I Timothy 6:16)

Christians will be raised from their graves in bodies of spirit, incorruptible and immortal, as Paul wrote in I Corinthians.

2 John 7 is not speaking about Jesus' resurrected body. It is saying that some people doubt that Jesus came to earth (through Mary) in the flesh.

Have a nice day.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

Onewithhim, you were asked, "Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?" And, "Do you claim that Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones?"

Two great questions: You replied, "Jesus Christ is not a mortal being like us, and Jesus Christ does not now have a body of flesh and bones."

1. Can you explain the following so we can better understand what you mean? If Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones, then, why did he show the marks of crucifixion on his hands and, on his side to his disciples, proving he was raised alive, in the flesh, from the dead?

2. Why did Jesus then have Thomas, who is, often called 'doubting Thomas, John 20:27, quoted from the N.W.T. "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving." unbelieving." Was he trying to trick his disciples into believing he was in a physical body of flesh and bone but now immortal, and incorruptible?

Being immortal and incorruptible in the flesh means exactly that. He is now in flesh and bone capable of living, as we will be, in heaven and on earth, immortal, and incorruptible.

Jesus ate fish with his disciples after he was raised from the dead. John 21:12 and 15.

Entering into glory with a body of flesh and bone immortal and incorruptible is not beyond the power of God to accomplish.

Then you wrote, "Also, to take back a body of flesh and bone, Jesus would be taking back his sacrifice in our behalf, and we would still be in our sins."

Jesus' body of flesh and bone suffered our punishment, it didn't save us. I was unaware that it was his flesh and bone that saved us, I am of the understanding it was His shed blood that saved us from our sins.

Ephesians 1:7, Jesus, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,"

Romans 5:9, We are justified by his blood."

Hebrews 9:22, "Almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And saved Christians we will be seen in heaven as those who, "have washed (our) robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The type: The High priest of the Jews entered the holy of holies once each year, not with the flesh of the sacrifice, but with the blood of the sacrifice. He would sprinkle the blood on the four horns of the altar, and if Jehovah accepted the offering, he showed himself with his Shekinah glory on the mercy seat that sat on top of the Ark of the Covenant. That was the type, Christ is the antitype who took the cup his father gave him, filled it with his blood, and presented it to him in heaven. Of course, we know it was accepted.

So, in conclusion, those who are saved by faith will be raised from the grave in our body of flesh and bone. See Matthew 27:52-52. The difference is our new bodies will be "Immortal and incorruptible, free from the bondage of sin, free from disease and sickness, free to live on earth and in heaven.

Lastly, the following was written by John, who witnessed Jesus' resurrection, about 60 years after he was raised from death to life.

2 John 7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." This verse is not speaking of Jesus coming to us as a child, but of his coming to us in flesh and bone in his resurrected body,

Answer to your question #1. Jesus showed Thomas the marks of his crucifixion just to show him that he, Thomas, was not hallucinating. He couldn't have been in a physical body because he had just entered the room through a locked door. (John 20:19) He was raised alive, but in a spirit body, just like God and the angels have. He couldn't live in the spirit realm with a physical body.

Question #2. Jesus wasn't trying to trick anybody. He just wanted the disciples to know that he was alive, that it was really he. "Flesh...cannot inherit the kingdom of God." (I Corinthians 15:50) Therefore Jesus must have been raised in the spirit. Where do you get the idea that "flesh and bone" can inherit the kingdom? Flesh and anything---blood or bone---cannot inherit the kingdom.

I Corinthians speaks about being incorruptible. If you read all of chapter 15 you can see that it is with spirit bodies that the disciples would be incorruptible, not with "natural" bodies, or, physical bodies. (I Corinthians 15:40-51) They would die in the flesh and be raised in the spirit. (Vs. 44)

Jesus ate fish, indeed. So did the angels that appeared to Abraham (though it was meat and bread). They ate, but were spirit persons who had changed their bodies into physical ones to interact with Abraham. (Genesis 18:2-8) "Jehovah" was said to be speaking to Abraham, but of course it was Jehovah's angel that represented Him. The two angels went on to Sodom to deal with Lot.

Jesus' death, with the pouring out of his blood, is what saves us. All we have to do is believe him and follow in his steps. He gave up his fleshly body once for all time and now "dwells in unapproachable light which no man has seen nor can see." (I Timothy 6:16)

Christians will be raised from their graves in bodies of spirit, incorruptible and immortal, as Paul wrote in I Corinthians.

2 John 7 is not speaking about Jesus' resurrected body. It is saying that some people doubt that Jesus came to earth (through Mary) in the flesh.

Have a nice day.

I believe the message in 1 Cor 15:40-51, talked about governed by human nature "carnal" Greek word "sarkikos" as natural, weakness, corruptible, earthy etc.(non-righteous)
And (non-carnal) spiritual, Greek word "pneumatikos" relating to human spirit or rational soul.(righteous)
If we interpret as a literal "spirit", would we interpret spiritual things as literal "spirit things"? (Rom 15:27)
I colored blue for non-righeous (governed by human nature).
And color red for righteous (governed by the Spirit of God)

Rom 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

πνευματικός pneumatikos
Thayer Definition:
1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ
1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
3) belonging to the Divine Spirit

σαρκικός sarkikos
Thayer Definition:
1) fleshly, carnal
1a) having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites
1a1) governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God
1a2) having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature
1a3) human: with the included idea of depravity
1b) pertaining to the flesh
1b1) to the body: related to birth, linage, etc

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[Revelations won]

Dear placebofactor and Capbook,

Congradulations on your most excellent responses to onewithhim! Very well stated!

Onewithhim has only a private interpretation of the scriptures regarding the corporeal nature of Christ’s resurrected body. I for one will sustain completely the superior testimony and witness given to the apostles by the resurrected Savior himself in the following:

Luke 24: 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Note: Christ’s most powerful, simple and clear witness regarding the flesh and bone nature of his resurrected body is indisputable. Any views otherwise are vastly inferior and are a denial of his clear witness and testimony given to the apostles.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #6]

Capstone, thanks for your work, you and I are on the same page. I use Strong's for the numbering, and both Thayer's and an 1836 Greek-to-English lexicon. It's my 'triune' way of checking for correctness.

The following is addressed to onewithhim.

I will approach this subject by including the context of the verse under discussion, and the correct interpretation of each Greek word used in the verse for evidence.

Onewithhim, I noticed you use the word 'bone.' I find no Bible that uses the phrase, “Flesh and bone.” The word for bone is not the same Greek word as blood, so I will have to disregard it. You may have made a typo-mistake, I do that myself.

1 Corinthians 15:50-51, “Now this I say, brethren that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The year, 55 A.D., 24 years after the resurrection. Paul writes, “I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ---- the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For the corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”

Let’s begin with the Greek for sleep: it’s a substitute word for rest. The physical body upon death is said to be sleeping or at rest.

In 31 A.D., Matthew 27:52-53 gives us a perfect example of what we can expect concerning resurrection. He wrote, “And many bodies of the saints which slept arose.” The Greek word Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 15:52, ‘raised’ is the same Greek word Matthew uses in Matthew 27:52, ‘arose.’

We know these Old Testament Jews in Matthew were raised by the power of Jesus' resurrection. They were raised from death to life after Jesus had been resurrected, Matthew 27:52-53. Their resurrection was witnessed by many, and then seen walking into Jerusalem, verse 53.

Scriptures also tell us they will never die again. Hebrews 9:27, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”

The word flesh in verse 50 implies weakness, frailty, and imperfection, both physically and morally, that’s the condition of mortals. In this condition, no one ‘can enter the kingdom of God.’

Now for the Greek word ‘changed.’ It means to be transformed in our 'nature' for the better.

The word ‘inherit’ in this verse is to obtain or possess entrance into the kingdom. What cannot inherit the kingdom of God is, ‘corruption.’

For the word blood, let's compare the same phrase, in 1 Corinthians 1:50, ‘flesh and blood’ with Galatians 1:16, Paul declares that he did not receive his gospel from “flesh and blood,” meaning he did learn his gospel from men. So, the phrase ‘flesh and blood is another way of referring to men in their natural condition, weak, imperfect, mortal, and corrupt. These cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

So, the dead (those saved) will be raised incorruptible and immortal. If raised immortal, I would say, that whether we remain on earth or are taken into heaven, we will never die again. Sidenote: If humans can put men into space, even with spacesuits, or in a spacecraft and live, why can’t God take us into the heavens with our new resurrected bodies? To say he cannot do this is to limit his power and elevate men to the level of God.

We are told that Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven in their mortal flesh and blood condition and remain alive to this day.

So, here’s how I understand 1 Corinthians 15:50 to 52. “Man in his sinful condition and body appointed to die, cannot inherit the kingdom of God. So, when we die, our bodies are returned to the ground, and our soul and Spirit taken to be either be,
1. With the Lord, or,
2. Taken to a place to wait for judgment, Revelation 20:11-12-13.

When the saved are raised from the grave they are given an incorruptible and immortal body that is reunited with their soul and spirit. The bottom line: the saved who are raised from the dead, will be in the exact image, likeness, and mindset of the Lord Jesus. To conclude, Paul wrote, “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2]

Onewithhim, you were asked, "Do you claim that Jesus the Christ is just a mortal being like us?" And, "Do you claim that Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones?"

Two great questions: You replied, "Jesus Christ is not a mortal being like us, and Jesus Christ does not now have a body of flesh and bones."

1. Can you explain the following so we can better understand what you mean? If Jesus does not have a body of flesh and bones, then, why did he show the marks of crucifixion on his hands and, on his side to his disciples, proving he was raised alive, in the flesh, from the dead?

2. Why did Jesus then have Thomas, who is, often called 'doubting Thomas, John 20:27, quoted from the N.W.T. "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving." unbelieving." Was he trying to trick his disciples into believing he was in a physical body of flesh and bone but now immortal, and incorruptible?

Being immortal and incorruptible in the flesh means exactly that. He is now in flesh and bone capable of living, as we will be, in heaven and on earth, immortal, and incorruptible.

Jesus ate fish with his disciples after he was raised from the dead. John 21:12 and 15.

Entering into glory with a body of flesh and bone immortal and incorruptible is not beyond the power of God to accomplish.

Then you wrote, "Also, to take back a body of flesh and bone, Jesus would be taking back his sacrifice in our behalf, and we would still be in our sins."

Jesus' body of flesh and bone suffered our punishment, it didn't save us. I was unaware that it was his flesh and bone that saved us, I am of the understanding it was His shed blood that saved us from our sins.

Ephesians 1:7, Jesus, "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,"

Romans 5:9, We are justified by his blood."

Hebrews 9:22, "Almost all things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission."

And saved Christians we will be seen in heaven as those who, "have washed (our) robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

The type: The High priest of the Jews entered the holy of holies once each year, not with the flesh of the sacrifice, but with the blood of the sacrifice. He would sprinkle the blood on the four horns of the altar, and if Jehovah accepted the offering, he showed himself with his Shekinah glory on the mercy seat that sat on top of the Ark of the Covenant. That was the type, Christ is the antitype who took the cup his father gave him, filled it with his blood, and presented it to him in heaven. Of course, we know it was accepted.

So, in conclusion, those who are saved by faith will be raised from the grave in our body of flesh and bone. See Matthew 27:52-52. The difference is our new bodies will be "Immortal and incorruptible, free from the bondage of sin, free from disease and sickness, free to live on earth and in heaven.

Lastly, the following was written by John, who witnessed Jesus' resurrection, about 60 years after he was raised from death to life.

2 John 7, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." This verse is not speaking of Jesus coming to us as a child, but of his coming to us in flesh and bone in his resurrected body,

Answer to your question #1. Jesus showed Thomas the marks of his crucifixion just to show him that he, Thomas, was not hallucinating. He couldn't have been in a physical body because he had just entered the room through a locked door. (John 20:19) He was raised alive, but in a spirit body, just like God and the angels have. He couldn't live in the spirit realm with a physical body.

Question #2. Jesus wasn't trying to trick anybody. He just wanted the disciples to know that he was alive, that it was really he. "Flesh...cannot inherit the kingdom of God." (I Corinthians 15:50) Therefore Jesus must have been raised in the spirit. Where do you get the idea that "flesh and bone" can inherit the kingdom? Flesh and anything---blood or bone---cannot inherit the kingdom.

I Corinthians speaks about being incorruptible. If you read all of chapter 15 you can see that it is with spirit bodies that the disciples would be incorruptible, not with "natural" bodies, or, physical bodies. (I Corinthians 15:40-51) They would die in the flesh and be raised in the spirit. (Vs. 44)

Jesus ate fish, indeed. So did the angels that appeared to Abraham (though it was meat and bread). They ate, but were spirit persons who had changed their bodies into physical ones to interact with Abraham. (Genesis 18:2-8) "Jehovah" was said to be speaking to Abraham, but of course it was Jehovah's angel that represented Him. The two angels went on to Sodom to deal with Lot.

Jesus' death, with the pouring out of his blood, is what saves us. All we have to do is believe him and follow in his steps. He gave up his fleshly body once for all time and now "dwells in unapproachable light which no man has seen nor can see." (I Timothy 6:16)

Christians will be raised from their graves in bodies of spirit, incorruptible and immortal, as Paul wrote in I Corinthians.

2 John 7 is not speaking about Jesus' resurrected body. It is saying that some people doubt that Jesus came to earth (through Mary) in the flesh.

Have a nice day.

I believe the message in 1 Cor 15:40-51, talked about governed by human nature "carnal" Greek word "sarkikos" as natural, weakness, corruptible, earthy etc.(non-righteous)
And (non-carnal) spiritual, Greek word "pneumatikos" relating to human spirit or rational soul.(righteous)
If we interpret as a literal "spirit", would we interpret spiritual things as literal "spirit things"? (Rom 15:27)
I colored blue for non-righeous (governed by human nature).
And color red for righteous (governed by the Spirit of God)

Rom 15:27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

πνευματικός pneumatikos
Thayer Definition:
1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ
1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
3) belonging to the Divine Spirit

σαρκικός sarkikos
Thayer Definition:
1) fleshly, carnal
1a) having the nature of flesh, i.e. under the control of the animal appetites
1a1) governed by mere human nature not by the Spirit of God
1a2) having its seat in the animal nature or aroused by the animal nature
1a3) human: with the included idea of depravity
1b) pertaining to the flesh
1b1) to the body: related to birth, linage, etc

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

So what is your point?

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #8]

Onewithhim, you wrote about Jesus having a spiritual body. Can you explain to us in layman's terms exactly what you consider to be a spiritual body, can you describe it for us? Can it be seen, and felt? Does Jesus get his flesh and put it on over his spiritual body like we put on a coat so he can be seen and felt, then take it off when it's no longer needed?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #8]

Onewithhim, you wrote about Jesus having a spiritual body. Can you explain to us in layman's terms exactly what you consider to be a spiritual body, can you describe it for us? Can it be seen, and felt? Does Jesus get his flesh and put it on over his spiritual body like we put on a coat so he can be seen and felt, then take it off when it's no longer needed?

A spiritual Body is a body such as God and the angels have. It is not seen nor felt.

"There are celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another....it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [Christ] was made a quickening spirit....Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood [or flesh and anything] cannot inherit the kingdom of God." (I Corinthians 15:40,44,45,50, KJV) Brackets mine.

We of course don't know the mechanism whereby an angel or Christ transform their spirit bodies into fleshly bodies, but they did so. I believe that I mentioned the angels that appeared to Abraham, who spoke to him and ate meat and bread.

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (IPeter 3:18, NASB)

"On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them." (John 20:19, NIV)

He could materialize at will, obviously. He entered the room through a locked door and then appeared to the disciples.