Trinity

[Ross]

Where did this concept come from?

I would suggest it began with John 1:1

[2ndpillar2]

Where did this concept come from?

I would suggest it began with John 1:1

I would suggest that it was established at the Nicene Council convened by the Roman emperor Constantine (beast with two horns like a lamb) in 325 A.D., and became authoritarian by the decree of the Roman emperor Theodosius in 380 A.D. .

[Ross]

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I would suggest that it was established at the Nicene Council convened by the Roman emperor Constantine, and became authoritarian by the decree of the Roman emperor Theodosius in 380 A.D. .
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While I wouldn't disagree with that, my question was, 'where did this concept come from,' not when it was officially stamped into a Council of 325 A.D. It had undergone massive debate and thought by this stage by many if not most of the early Church Fathers.

Gen 1:1 reads "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word
And the Word was with God
And the Word was God"

The Greek Septuagint version of the Masoretic Text renders "In the beginning" of Gen 1:1 as 'EN ARCHE', the same description as John uses, so his words are an obvious reference and further explanation of Gen1:1.

Thus an explanation after all of that time of "Let US make man in OUR image."
God is more than one.

[Ross]

Gen 1:1 reads "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word
And the Word was with God
And the Word was God"

The Greek Septuagint version of the Masoretic Text renders "In the beginning" of Gen 1:1 as 'EN ARCHE', the same description as John uses, so his words are an obvious reference and further explanation of Gen1:1.

Thus an explanation after all of that time of "Let US make man in OUR image."
God is more than one.

And all we need is one more verse, not disconnected, not out of context:

Gen 1:2:

" And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

And then there were three!

[Ross]

Gen 1:1 reads "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word
And the Word was with God
And the Word was God"

The Greek Septuagint version of the Masoretic Text renders "In the beginning" of Gen 1:1 as 'EN ARCHE', the same description as John uses, so his words are an obvious reference and further explanation of Gen1:1.

Thus an explanation after all of that time of "Let US make man in OUR image."
God is more than one.

And all we need is one more verse, not disconnected, not out of context:

Gen 1:2:

" And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters."

And then there were three!

So God as explained in Genesis and John 1:1 is: The Word, The God, The Spirit of God

This is why the plural form of God (Elohim) is used.

Gen 1:26,27:

Then God said, “Let US make mankind in OUR image, in OUR likeness

27 So GOD ( Elohim ) CREATED mankind IN HIS OWN IMAGE,"

God here is plural. God here is three.

Gen 2:7:

"Then the Lord God (YHWH Elohim) formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life"

So it must follow that : YHWH is: The Word, The God, The Spirit of God.

Three.

[1213]

Where did this concept come from?

I would suggest it began with John 1:1

I don't think that is the original source for Trinity, because disciples of Jesus originally thought there is only one true God.

yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:6

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

[MissKate13]

Where did this concept come from?

I would suggest it began with John 1:1

I don't think that is the original source for Trinity, because disciples of Jesus originally thought there is only one true God.

yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.
1 Cor. 8:6

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

1 Cor 8:6 seems to point to the Father as God. 1 Tim 2:5 points to Jesus as God. Acts 5:3-4 points to the Holy Spirit as God.

There is only one GOD. Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all called God. They are distinct individuals sharing the same nature. They work in perfect unity as a team for our benefit.

That’s where we should leave it. We are incapable of understanding it. It will remain a mystery until Jesus comes again. Meanwhile, instead of arguing about, we need to accept by faith what the Scriptures say. There is one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Accept it by faith. The end!

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Ross in post #3]


Father, Son and Holy Spirit are called God in Scripture. They are presented as distinct and separate individuals working in unity for our benefit.

Words like trinity muddy up the waters. It’s not a Biblical term. There is enough evidence in Scripture to show us that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God. We don’t need the words of men. We have the word of God. We accept that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God by faith. Someday we will understand this mystery.

[Ross]

That’s where we should leave it. We are incapable of understanding it. It will remain a mystery until Jesus comes again. Meanwhile, instead of arguing about, we need to accept by faith what the Scriptures say. There is one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Accept it by faith. The end!

If that is the case then there is no point in having discussion forums. People disagree, and there is always something to consider if someone puts a different slant on things.

[Ross]

I don't think that is the original source for Trinity, because disciples of Jesus originally thought there is only one true God.

Paul wrote: 1 Tim 3:16
"And without controversy GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS; HE WHO WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory."

It would seem from this that the disciples and even the Apostles could not quite fully comprehend the divinity or deity of The Christ fully from their experiences. It was a mystery and still is.
However the appearance and examination of the book of John, long after Paul's epistles, led the majority of the early Church Fathers to favour the theology or the understanding of the emergence of the Bible to advocate a Trinity over Arianism or similar explanations.