What does it mean,

[Elijah John]

What does it mean, when some people say that "all Scripture is God breathed?

Does it mean that the Bible was dictated by God?

Inspired by God?

Does it mean that the Bible is perfect and infallible in every detail?

If you hold the position that the Bible is "God breathed" please define the term, and support your position.

[2timothy316]

It means that nothing is put in or taken out that is not approved by Jehovah.

Sometimes it is word for word from God. Many times in the Bible is says, "this is what Sovereign Jehovah has said..." then we read word for what what He said. Other times an angel from God gives a writer what to write. Revelation is an example of that. Other times a person is driven by their own thoughts of God in their own words, but approved to be put into the Bible. The books of Psalms and Proverbs are examples of a several people's thoughts of God in their own words yet God approved to be entered into His canon. A good example of something that is not approved are the apocrypha books. While good for historical value they are not God breathed or approved. Nor are the decrees of the of the Catholic church part of canon.

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

[DPMartin]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

to be accurate the Bible is a documentation of a relationship with a people or persons and the Lord their God (Creator and Judge) as a result of His Presence with them.

and God's Presence according to the same is the Holy Spirit therefore one could say Holy Spirit inspired or guided, and not be incorrect. but again its really a documentation of a people and their God. of which is provided to not only learn from but affirms that one is experiencing the same relationship should one be walking with the Lord God through and in the name of Jesus Christ.

[polonius]

It means that nothing is put in or taken out that is not approved by Jehovah.

Sometimes it is word for word from God. Many times in the Bible is says, "this is what Sovereign Jehovah has said..." then we read word for what what He said. Other times an angel from God gives a writer what to write. Revelation is an example of that. Other times a person is driven by their own thoughts of God in their own words, but approved to be put into the Bible. The books of Psalms and Proverbs are examples of a several people's thoughts of God in their own words yet God approved to be entered into His canon. A good example of something that is not approved are the apocrypha books. While good for historical value they are not God breathed or approved. Nor are the decrees of the of the Catholic church part of canon.

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

RESPONSE: And yet there are clear contradictions in scripture. Does God approve contradictions?

A number of examples are found in Matthew. Mark, Luke, and John all have Jesus sending for and riding one animal ("it") when entering Jerusalem, Matthew quite clearly say two animals ("them")

Matthew is trying to have Jesus "fulfill" an Old Testament prophecy, which Matthew mistranslated (or God made an error).

[2timothy316]

It means that nothing is put in or taken out that is not approved by Jehovah.

Sometimes it is word for word from God. Many times in the Bible is says, "this is what Sovereign Jehovah has said..." then we read word for what what He said. Other times an angel from God gives a writer what to write. Revelation is an example of that. Other times a person is driven by their own thoughts of God in their own words, but approved to be put into the Bible. The books of Psalms and Proverbs are examples of a several people's thoughts of God in their own words yet God approved to be entered into His canon. A good example of something that is not approved are the apocrypha books. While good for historical value they are not God breathed or approved. Nor are the decrees of the of the Catholic church part of canon.

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

RESPONSE: And yet there are clear contradictions in scripture. Does God approve contradictions?

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

If a person see what they feel are contradictions, then yes, those things in the Bible you feel are contradictions are approved. The Bible is exposing that person's heart's thoughts and intentions.

I and millions of others on the other hand see no contradictions in God's Word. These have found satisfactory explanations for everything that appears at first to be a contradiction.

What the Bible is exposing is a person's trust and faith in God. A person that sees contradictions in the Bible and doesn't except any explanation, their faith is in only what they can see. Trusting the Bible will seem foolish to such as person. This means their thoughts dwell on fleshly things, while what they can't see or the spiritual, escapes them. "A physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man." - 1 Cor 2:14, 15

[Elijah John]

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

Including the passage that gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death on the grounds the slave is the slaveholder's "property"?

Is Exodus 21.20-21 "God breathed" and approved as well?

I would think that a peaceful sect such as the Jehovah's Witnesses would disapprove of such practices.

[JehovahsWitness]

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

Including the passage that gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death on the grounds the slave is the slaveholder's "property"?

Is Exodus 21.20-21 "God breathed" and approved as well?

I would think that a peaceful sect such as the Jehovah's Witnesses would disapprove of such practices.

We don't interpret the bible as you do. We believe the entire bible is "inspired" meaning that the thoughts and ideas in the bible can be viewed as Divine truths. All of them.



JW



Did the Mosaic Law gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 027#764027?

[2timothy316]

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

Including the passage that gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death on the grounds the slave is the slaveholder's "property"?

Is Exodus 21.20-21 "God breathed" and approved as well?

I would think that a peaceful sect such as the Jehovah's Witnesses would disapprove of such practices.

Yes, Exodus 21:20-21 is 'God Breathed'. Exodus 20:1 "Then God spoke all these words:"

Who am I to disapprove of what Jehovah does or doesn't allow?
What is good or bad doesn't come from my opinions. I do not seek my ways. I seek God's ways. Yet have you ever heard of a JW beating their employees or owning a slave? Why do you think that is despite what you pointed to in Exodus?

Just because I'm commanded to being peaceful and follow it doesn't change the fact that I know that Jesus with God's army of angels is going to destroy the wicked of the earth. It is not my place to execute these folks or even have a say who is wicked or not. But this is His will and I will not disapprove of anything He sees fit.

[Elijah John]

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

Including the passage that gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death on the grounds the slave is the slaveholder's "property"?

Is Exodus 21.20-21 "God breathed" and approved as well?

I would think that a peaceful sect such as the Jehovah's Witnesses would disapprove of such practices.

Yes, Exodus 21:20-21 is 'God Breathed'. Exodus 20:1 "Then God spoke all these words:"

Who am I to disapprove of what Jehovah does or doesn't allow?
What is good or bad doesn't come from my opinions. I do not seek my ways. I seek God's ways. Yet have you ever heard of a JW beating their employees or owning a slave? Why do you think that is despite what you pointed to in Exodus?

Just because I'm commanded to being peaceful and follow it doesn't change the fact that I know that Jesus with God's army of angels is going to destroy the wicked of the earth. It is not my place to execute these folks or even have a say who is wicked or not. But this is His will and I will not disapprove of anything He sees fit.

So you are basically saying, (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the institution of slavery is part of "God's way", including all the connected brutality thereof?

And you're not the least bit uncomfortable with that notion that God supposedly approves of the keeping, and the beating of slaves?

How bout this...verses such as this are evidence that the Bible down to it's very last detail, is not "God breathed" and "God approved" at least not in it's entirety.

It just amazes me that instead of conceding that the Bible is NOT perfect, and that every single word in the Bible is not from God, Fundamentalists attempt to defend the indefensible.

And your post here is a prime example of that.

Let me put it this way...how can it be that the same God who teaches us to love our neighbor as ourselves and to treat others the way we would like to be treated, would EVER approve of treating our fellow human beings like "property" up to and including depriving them of God-given freedom, and beating them half to death?

And how could the Same Jehovah who despised slavery in Egypt, approve of slavery in Israel?

[Elijah John]

Every word written in the Bible is God approved and thus can be trusted as coming from God.

Including the passage that gives permission for a slaveholder to beat their slaves half to death on the grounds the slave is the slaveholder's "property"?

Is Exodus 21.20-21 "God breathed" and approved as well?

I would think that a peaceful sect such as the Jehovah's Witnesses would disapprove of such practices.

Yes, Exodus 21:20-21 is 'God Breathed'. Exodus 20:1 "Then God spoke all these words:"

Who am I to disapprove of what Jehovah does or doesn't allow?
What is good or bad doesn't come from my opinions. I do not seek my ways. I seek God's ways. Yet have you ever heard of a JW beating their employees or owning a slave? Why do you think that is despite what you pointed to in Exodus?

Just because I'm commanded to being peaceful and follow it doesn't change the fact that I know that Jesus with God's army of angels is going to destroy the wicked of the earth. It is not my place to execute these folks or even have a say who is wicked or not. But this is His will and I will not disapprove of anything He sees fit.

So is that just youir opinion, or do the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Watch Tower Society approve of the institution of slavery, because supposedly Jehovah God approves of it?

Try leading with that, the next time you knock on someone's door.