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What is the rapture and when does it take place?

If we are raptured tomorrow, where is it that we go? Do we go to Heaven or just float around in the air until Christ brings us back to earth again?

Popular opinion states that:
Christians can be raptured at any moment. So the only ones left here on earth are those who are not saved, correct?

Then Christ returns after the Tribulation days and 'other' Christians are then raptured as well but not before those who are asleep are resurrected.
So there are two raptures?

None of this makes any sense to me.

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RAPTURE Definition:The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.� The word “rapture� is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture� does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.

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It's merely a figment of an imagination.

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The English word rapture comes from the Latin raptus, which means to seize or transport. Raptus is a fair Latin translation of the Greek word harpazdo, which means to seize or remove. Harpazdo is found in First Thessalonians 4:17, saying that the church will be caught up (harpazdo) to meet Christ in the air. For some reason (I don’t know why) it was the Latin word raptus instead of the Greek word harpazdo that came to be associated with being caught up with Christ at the end of the age.

The three general views of being caught up with Christ are:

Post-millennial: A great tribulation (described in Revelations) will take place at the final end of the age, and then those believers still alive will be caught up with Christ.

Pre-millennial: Believers who are alive in the body will be caught up with Christ before the beginning of that tribulation.

Au-millennial: The events of Revelations are taking place right now, from the time of Christ' ascension until his return. At his return, the final end of this world, his followers will be caught up with him.
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Hello all :)

As already stated the Word Rapture is biblical. it simply is an english version of a Latin word translation for Caught up.


Anyway to make it brief.

The rapture will happen on the day of the second coming of the Messiah Jesus. On that Day true followers of the Messiah who are alive and remain on earth (most will have already been kill by that day) will be transformed into their eternal bodies and be caught up into the sky to meet Jesus upon his arrival. They will then come right back down to earth with Him and rule the earth for 1000 years with Him.


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bjs wrote:The English word rapture comes from the Latin raptus, which means to seize or transport. Raptus is a fair Latin translation of the Greek word harpazdo, which means to seize or remove. Harpazdo is found in First Thessalonians 4:17, saying that the church will be caught up (harpazdo) to meet Christ in the air. For some reason (I don’t know why) it was the Latin word raptus instead of the Greek word harpazdo that came to be associated with being caught up with Christ at the end of the age.

The three general views of being caught up with Christ are:

Post-millennial: A great tribulation (described in Revelations) will take place at the final end of the age, and then those believers still alive will be caught up with Christ.

Pre-millennial: Believers who are alive in the body will be caught up with Christ before the beginning of that tribulation.

Just a note that the great trib of Matthew chapter 24 has already happened. It was fullfilled in the year AD 70 by the Roman army under Titus. They destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and possibly slaughtered 1 million Jews. please read the chapter carefully and you will see it

Au-millennial: The events of Revelations are taking place right now, from the time of Christ' ascension until his return. At his return, the final end of this world, his followers will be caught up with him.

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PRESBYTERIAN wrote:Just a note that the great trib of Matthew chapter 24 has already happened. It was fullfilled in the year AD 70 by the Roman army under Titus. They destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and possibly slaughtered 1 million Jews. please read the chapter carefully and you will see it
Sure, according to those who adhere to preterist Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists see it differently. I disagree that a careful reading of Matthew 24 will guarantee a preterist rendering.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

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PRESBYTERIAN wrote:
bjs wrote:The English word rapture comes from the Latin raptus, which means to seize or transport. Raptus is a fair Latin translation of the Greek word harpazdo, which means to seize or remove. Harpazdo is found in First Thessalonians 4:17, saying that the church will be caught up (harpazdo) to meet Christ in the air. For some reason (I don’t know why) it was the Latin word raptus instead of the Greek word harpazdo that came to be associated with being caught up with Christ at the end of the age.

The three general views of being caught up with Christ are:

Post-millennial: A great tribulation (described in Revelations) will take place at the final end of the age, and then those believers still alive will be caught up with Christ.

Pre-millennial: Believers who are alive in the body will be caught up with Christ before the beginning of that tribulation.

Just a note that the great trib of Matthew chapter 24 has already happened. It was fullfilled in the year AD 70 by the Roman army under Titus. They destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and possibly slaughtered 1 million Jews. please read the chapter carefully and you will see it

Au-millennial: The events of Revelations are taking place right now, from the time of Christ' ascension until his return. At his return, the final end of this world, his followers will be caught up with him.
Why did Jesus say "This generation shall in no wise pass till all these things be fullfilled" if he was talking of a much further event. i hold the same view as the reformed fathers. The other positions a pretty new in history. the early church was "post millenial" as per their writings.

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PRESBYTERIAN wrote:Thy did Jesus say "This generation shall in no wise pass till all these things be fullfilled" if he was talking of a much further event. i hold the same view as the reformed fathers. The other positions a pretty new in history. the early church was "post millenial" as per their writings.
Unless "this generation" is the future one he was prophesying about. It cannot be the generation contemporaneous to Christ, because, "all these things"; heavenly signs, Christ's final return, and the gathering of the elect did not happen in their lifetime.

P.S. Will someone tell presbyterian that I am on his ignore list? He must have done it accidentally as I cannot recall ever having cross words with him.
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fewwillfindit wrote:
PRESBYTERIAN wrote:Thy did Jesus say "This generation shall in no wise pass till all these things be fullfilled" if he was talking of a much further event. i hold the same view as the reformed fathers. The other positions a pretty new in history. the early church was "post millenial" as per their writings.
Unless "this generation" is the future one he was prophesying about. It cannot be the generation contemporaneous to Christ, because, "all these things"; heavenly signs, Christ's final return, and the gathering of the elect did not happen in their lifetime.

P.S. Will someone tell presbyterian that I am on his ignore list? He must have done it accidentally as I cannot recall ever having cross words with him.
Sorry about the ignor list. i did not even know it existed! Another evidence is this: Jesus said that "not one stone shall be left upon another" when speaking of the temple. this only ever accured in AD 70 by the Roman army and has never been rebuilt. As for Christs return, he does return all the time in judgement upon people and nations.
There are great sources of Reformed preaching on the books of prophecy. one is to be found on Sermonaudio.com by W J Mencarow. i was of the same views as yourself, but after listening to the scriptural proofs i now believe that Matthew 24 has already happened and that Johns revelation cover all history from Johns day to the end of world history. Just another point that has come to mind. If we are to go through a great tribulation how come "they are eating and drinking and given in marriage" when Christ returns. you cant have the worst tribulation ever and enjoy the "good" life at the same time.
Please may i add that it is dificult to express emotion by e mail so just for the record this is a friendly debate. brother to brother.

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