Why I get a headache trying to understand the Bible

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Why I get a headache trying to understand the Bible

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Q. Do the terms,
  • on
    upon
    as to
    towards
    to
    for
    with
All mean the same thing? I don't think they do, but . . . . .


. . . . . . the Bible certainly does---I use the singular, "Bible," here because when refering to the book very seldom is a specific translation ever cited, implying that one translation is just as good/correct as any other.

CONSIDER:




Mark 14:6 καλὸν ἔ�γον ἠ�γάσατο �ν �μοί

  • MLB She has treated Me nobly.

    Tynd She hath done a good work on me.

    Douay She hath wrought a good work upon me.

    ASV she hath wrought a good work on me.

    YLT a good work she wrought on me;

    Recov She has done a noble deed on Me.

    ACV She performed a good work on me.

    Darby she has wrought a good work as to me;

    Wey She has done a most gracious act towards me.

    CBW She has done a good deed to me.

    BBE she has done a kind act to me.

    NASB She has done a good deed to me.

    Beck She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    RSV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    ESV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    NIV,TNIV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    NLT Why berate her for doing such a good thing to me?

    MKJV She has done a good work towards Me

    LITV She worked a good work toward Me

    ALT She worked a good work to Me [or, performed a good deed for Me]

    Phil She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    JB What she has done for me is one of the good works.

    NKJV She has done a good work for me

    NAB She has done a good thing for me.

    REB It is a fine thing she has done for me.

    NRSV She has performed a good service for me.

    JNT She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    NCV She did an excellent thing for me.

    CEV She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    Mess She has just done something wonderfully significant for me.

    NET She has done a good service for me.

    WEB She has done a good work for me.

    ISV She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    GW She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    Alex She did a beautiful service for me

    HCSB She has done a noble thing for me.

    EMTV She has worked a beautiful work for Me

    DRP She has performed a good work with me.

But then maybe this makes it easier to construct a theology by choosing which version of a verse best suits one's needs.

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You are concentrating on one word, rather than looking at the meaning of the entire sentence. That is taking 'out of context' to a whole new level.

Translation is interpretation..and often the literal translation of a sentence will not make sense if it is word for word, since there are idioms and gramatical structures that are different.

I guess the only solution is for people to learn biblical hebrew, classic greek, and read it in the original
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goat wrote:You are concentrating on one word, rather than looking at the meaning of the entire sentence. That is taking 'out of context' to a whole new level.
Not at all.

Simply consider substituting the action (a past tense verbal phrase, "she has done a good thing" or variations there of) with another past tense verbal phrase, "she has eaten," and see how obvious the variations fail to carry the same meaning



She has eaten on Me

She has eaten upon me.

She has eaten to me

She has eaten towards me

She has eaten to me

She has eaten for me

She has eaten with me

The thing is, a person reading, "She has done a beautiful thing to me.," isn't getting the same message as the person reading, "She has done a beautiful thing for me," or the person reading, "She has performed a good work with me," or a person reading "She has done a good work towards Me"

"To me," "for me," "with me," and " towards me" all carry very different meanings.

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consider

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that christianity is a guide to your own inner peace. try interpreting it as you think it should be interpreted, but put your best educated guess forward

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sineporf wrote:that christianity is a guide to your own inner peace. try interpreting it as you think it should be interpreted, but put your best educated guess forward
My best educated guess is that it should be interpreted as a lot of mythology mixed in with a lot of dubious history. Can this be a guide to my own inner peace? That's extremely doubtful.

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ok

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then something isn't wrong with what the bible says. There is something that doesn't sit right with you when you try to interpret it.

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sineporf wrote:then something isn't wrong with what the bible says. There is something that doesn't sit right with you when you try to interpret it.
Sounds like a rather dangerously esoteric if not insane way to interpret the Bible, If it gives you inner peace, and the Bible is never wrong, which amounts to how it makes you feel.
It sounds like there might have a problem with the difference between emotion and spirituality with little regard for context or content. Just go with however or whatever you "feel".

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Cathar1950 wrote:
sineporf wrote:then something isn't wrong with what the bible says. There is something that doesn't sit right with you when you try to interpret it.
Sounds like a rather dangerously esoteric if not insane way to interpret the Bible, If it gives you inner peace, and the Bible is never wrong, which amounts to how it makes you feel.
It sounds like there might have a problem with the difference between emotion and spirituality with little regard for context or content. Just go with however or whatever you "feel".
You seem to grasp my idea well. I've never read the Bible fully. A book is written as it is intended, or is it? If it is, then you should do the research and find what those words truly mean. If it isn't, then it can be whatever you want it to be.

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Re: Why I get a headache trying to understand the Bible

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Miles wrote:Q. Do the terms,
  • on
    upon
    as to
    towards
    to
    for
    with
All mean the same thing? I don't think they do, but . . . . .


. . . . . . the Bible certainly does---I use the singular, "Bible," here because when refering to the book very seldom is a specific translation ever cited, implying that one translation is just as good/correct as any other.

CONSIDER:




Mark 14:6 καλὸν ἔ�γον ἠ�γάσατο �ν �μοί

  • MLB She has treated Me nobly.

    Tynd She hath done a good work on me.

    Douay She hath wrought a good work upon me.

    ASV she hath wrought a good work on me.

    YLT a good work she wrought on me;

    Recov She has done a noble deed on Me.

    ACV She performed a good work on me.

    Darby she has wrought a good work as to me;

    Wey She has done a most gracious act towards me.

    CBW She has done a good deed to me.

    BBE she has done a kind act to me.

    NASB She has done a good deed to me.

    Beck She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    RSV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    ESV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    NIV,TNIV She has done a beautiful thing to me.

    NLT Why berate her for doing such a good thing to me?

    MKJV She has done a good work towards Me

    LITV She worked a good work toward Me

    ALT She worked a good work to Me [or, performed a good deed for Me]

    Phil She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    JB What she has done for me is one of the good works.

    NKJV She has done a good work for me

    NAB She has done a good thing for me.

    REB It is a fine thing she has done for me.

    NRSV She has performed a good service for me.

    JNT She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    NCV She did an excellent thing for me.

    CEV She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    Mess She has just done something wonderfully significant for me.

    NET She has done a good service for me.

    WEB She has done a good work for me.

    ISV She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    GW She has done a beautiful thing for me.

    Alex She did a beautiful service for me

    HCSB She has done a noble thing for me.

    EMTV She has worked a beautiful work for Me

    DRP She has performed a good work with me.

But then maybe this makes it easier to construct a theology by choosing which version of a verse best suits one's needs.

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Re: ok

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sineporf wrote:
Cathar1950 wrote:
sineporf wrote:then something isn't wrong with what the bible says. There is something that doesn't sit right with you when you try to interpret it.
Sounds like a rather dangerously esoteric if not insane way to interpret the Bible, If it gives you inner peace, and the Bible is never wrong, which amounts to how it makes you feel.
It sounds like there might have a problem with the difference between emotion and spirituality with little regard for context or content. Just go with however or whatever you "feel".
You seem to grasp my idea well. I've never read the Bible fully. A book is written as it is intended, or is it? If it is, then you should do the research and find what those words truly mean. If it isn't, then it can be whatever you want it to be.
Its sounds like you just need to learn how to interpret scripture. For example, you have an old testament and a new testament. first you must get a good bible dictionary. Find out what is a "testament", "covenant" and "will".

Next, disect the groups of books in the bible. Let's see you have the Torah(the first 5 books of the bible) the book of psalms, proverbs, and ecclesiastes; and the prophets in the old testament. The old testament is just that old. It is the former covenant of God. Knowing this we know that it contains fulfilled prophecies and prophecies that have not been fulfilled. Also, it contains scientific explainations for what we see and hear. The old testament speaks of events theat took place in history and gives us information of things which we would have not known. For example, even though blacks are trated as second class citizens in the world this is not so in the bible. for example, Ham was the son that was cursed by Noah for viewing his nakedness. What did Noah tell Ham? "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren"(genesis 9:25)

Abraham's name was originally Abram. But Abram's family (Terah-his father, etc were worshipping the gods of the peoples(specifically the moon god and goddesses. God told Abram to leave and go to the land he will show him. Ham was abraham's great uncle. God changed Abram's name to Abraham after sending him to the land of Canaan. Now how do we know that Canaan was the ancestor of us African Americans in the US? Let's take at look at God's covenant with Abraham. Genesis 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them for 400 years? What group of people were slaves for 400 years?hmmm thats an easy one.

The bible says that the new testament was in the blood of Jesus. This means that the new testament did NOT start until Christ died. This also means that the gospel accounts are historical. We can get "words to live by" but not much doctrine because Jesus taught the law and the prophets due to the price not yet being paid.

Acts is a book telling what took place immediately after the ascension of Christ back into Heaven. Doctrine cannot be taken from this book. The only doctrinal statements in the book of Acts and the Gospels are the ones that Jesus made dealing with his death, (such as John 3:16, John 8:24, Matthew 16:16-19, John 6:47 etc.) Next, we have the apostolic epistles written by Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, and the book of Hebrews written by Apollos who was not known as an Apostle, but the writing style was Alexandrian where Apollos was from. Last but not least, you have the book of revelation. When interpreting scripture one must separate subjects and items mentioned into separate columns and write every scripture down which mentions it. For example, white robes, the seventh trumpet, forgiveness of sin, eternal life, all subjects must be separated by testament and its scriptural mentioning. If you learn how to do this, it will not matter what translation you use, all will be similar.

I learned several things doing this. I learned that Jesus will return at the 7th trumpet, I learned that God has forgiven my sin through my faith in Jesus, I do not need to ask him any longer for forgiveness but to thank him for his forgiveness and the gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus. (Yeshua Yamashia)I learned that a person cannot lose their salvation if they have been saved, I learned that God does not require a tithe, but a person who knows that he does not require it and does it anyway can be blessed, I learned that all Christians living during the time of the antichrist will be killed except the 144,000 sealed Christians that will be saved through the ministry of the two witnesses, and much more. Most people have the problem of not knowing how to rightly divide the scripture. Prophet Howard PO BOX 90633 Milwaukee, Wi 53209 I can be seen on youtube how53225 or Prophet Howard

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