A suggestion for Christians

[OnceConvinced]

One of the topics we often discuss here is what makes a true Christian and what assures salvation and thus eternal life in Heaven? The big problem is we get many different people coming through here claiming to have the truth and correct understanding of scripture. However many of these people contradict each other. This is not at all helpful and I'm sure you agree that if one gets it wrong the ramifications are horrendous and many people, like I have, could spend their lives genuinely following what they believed to be Christ and correct doctrine, but find they were never true Christians to begin with because of their ignorance.

I'd like to suggest all the Christians get together in the Holy Huddle room to remedy this problem.

First of all, using holy spirit discernment, weed out all those who aren't true Christians and with those of you left, nut out together what it takes to consider yourself a true Christian.

You all being true Christians and having the holy spirit within you, I would invisage no problem with accomplishing this task. You can then come back to us as a group with your final list of conditions to consider one a true Christian and worthy of eternal life; worshiping God for all eternity, thus ensuring that we lost and sinful folk have accurate information that we can accept or reject Christ by.

Also while you are at it, for those who completely reject the bible, perhaps you could also come to a unified agreement on what Hell actually is. Is it eternal suffering, death by fire or simply the grave? I'm sure with the understanding given to you by the holy spirit, this should be an easy question for you true Christians to answer and would leave us with little doubt what we are in for if we continue on our evil and abominable ways.

If any other people have any topics they'd like sorted out perhaps they can post them on this thread? I'm sure that the holy spirit will be able to deal with them all quickly and efficiently. Maybe at last we can find out what the real truth is and what the bible really is saying to us?

I look forward to our Christian members here showing the sort of unity Paul so desired amongst the believers. I'm sure you will be eager to assist God in spreading the truth to the rest of us here and the many thousands who come into this site and read.

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So now having read this OP do you agree that with the Holy spirit, this venture should be easily undertaken?

If not, why not?

And if Christians cannot come to a consensus amongst themselves, using the holy spirit to gain understanding, how can any unbelievers take the bible or Christians seriously? ](*,)

[McCulloch]

And I want to be elected benevolent world dictator. If I am very smart, I will not do self-defeating acts to try to achieve goals that I know are unattainable. You still have presented Satan as very stupid.

What is he waiting for? What possible good does it do to allow Satan to be the Ruler of this world? You present God as no better than a little boy who enjoys pulling the wings off of flies.

I'm not going to fight you on that. I'm not going to defend him.

You have made the claim that Satan is very smart. I have shown this claim to be false. I will take your statement above as a retraction. Henceforth, I expect that you will no longer make the erroneous claim that Satan is smart.

Like I said a few time's before, God has set the time when this doing away with Satan.

Yes, you have. But what you have not done is answer the question about why God would do such an evil thing as to allow Satan to continue his destructive influence on his own beloved creation.

What is going [to] happen is that God will put it into the minds of political men to turn on religion. To stamp it out. ( this will be world wide) This is going to come from the UN. The bible says that the US, will give this power to the UN.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and categorically state that no writer of the Bible ever made any unequivocal statement regarding the United States of America or the United Nations. You may interpret some prophetical writings to mean those things, but it is not stated or taught in the Bible.

[dunsapy]

You have made the claim that Satan is very smart. I have shown this claim to be false. I will take your statement above as a retraction. Henceforth, I expect that you will no longer make the erroneous claim that Satan is smart.

Don't do that because you would be deceiving yourself.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and categorically state that no writer of the Bible ever made any unequivocal statement regarding the United States of America or the United Nations. You may interpret some prophetical writings to mean those things, but it is not stated or taught in the Bible.

You would be going out on a limb. But you have done that a few times in the past with me. And I have cut it off. ( sorry about that , I hope it didn't hurt too much)
It is a in depth study of the bible. And the line of government's are mentioned in two different places in the bible. This business about turning on religion, this prophecy is one of the very last ones to be fulfilled in the bible. There are no world powers mentioned after the US.

[McCulloch]

You have made the claim that Satan is very smart. I have shown this claim to be false. I will take your statement above as a retraction. Henceforth, I expect that you will no longer make the erroneous claim that Satan is smart.

Don't do that because you would be deceiving yourself.

When a debater makes an assertion that is challenged by another debater, the one who made the assertion is required to provide evidence and reason to support his claim. Failing that, the one making the claim is honor bound to retract that claim. Please make up your mind, are you going to support your claim that Satan is very intelligent or are you going to retract it? It is your choice. A third option would be to dishonor yourself and refuse to live up to the expectations you agreed to when you signed up on this site.

Let's take the whole USA and UN in prophesy thing to a new debate thread.

[dunsapy]

When a debater makes an assertion that is challenged by another debater, the one who made the assertion is required to provide evidence and reason to support his claim. Failing that, the one making the claim is honor bound to retract that claim. Please make up your mind, are you going to support your claim that Satan is very intelligent or are you going to retract it? It is your choice. A third option would be to dishonor yourself and refuse to live up to the expectations you agreed to when you signed up on this site.

What do you consider smart?

[InTheFlesh]

dunsapy wrote:
Quote:
What is there to blame God for?

Some people blame God for the world, the way it is. But really the one to blame is Satan.


I don't blame God.
I praise him for his goodness.
Why do you blame Satan?
Satan can not touch the people of God unless God allows.
Read the book of Job.
Like I said,
God is the BOSS!
Q: And why do you call it God?

A: What do you mean by God ?


You tell us. Whistle
You are the one who made the claim.

Did you not state that you do God's will?
What do you mean by God?

God is the creator of all we see.

God is a title, there are many Gods.

I serve Yahweh or in english Jehovah.
The name means: (Je‧ho′vah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb ha‧wah′ (become); meaning “He Causes to Become�].
I don't think I ever said that, I do Gods will, if I did what I meant was I try to do Gods will. No one is perfect.

First of all,
you combined two different posts
and one was not for you.

And secondly,
you are mistaken
JEHOVAH is one of many names.
JEHOVAH a title like LORD.

Pss.83
[18] That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isa.42
[8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

JEHOVAH (God) was manifest in the flesh.
They called his name Jesus.

[dunsapy]

And secondly,
you are mistaken
JEHOVAH is one of many names.
JEHOVAH a title like LORD.

It is not a title, it is a proper name.
Just like Jesus is a proper name.
Many translations have substituted Lord or LORD, for that name. It appears over 6 thousand, times in the Hebrew scriptures.
If you go to this site:
http://www.scripture4all.org/
You will see they use Yahweh, Jehovah in english.

(you have to download a little program on your computer , because of the Hebrew and Greek fonts. ) but you then can go and check out all the times the name was substituted by the translators. Start at Psalm 83: 18.

Isa.42
[8] I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 42:8 (Darby Translation)

8I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

JEHOVAH (God) was manifest in the flesh.
They called his name Jesus.

Jesus was never called Jehovah.

[InTheFlesh]

"Jesus was never called Jehovah"

I agree but...

For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jesus is Jehovah!

[InTheFlesh]

And Jehovah is an English translation which only appears
a handful of times in the English bible.

Are you saying that where I read Lord it means Jehovah?
Because if so,
Is Jesus not called Lord?

Matt.1
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who saved us from our sins?
Jesus or Jehovah?
Jesus is Jehovah!

[McCulloch]

When a debater makes an assertion that is challenged by another debater, the one who made the assertion is required to provide evidence and reason to support his claim. Failing that, the one making the claim is honor bound to retract that claim. Please make up your mind, are you going to support your claim that Satan is very intelligent or are you going to retract it? It is your choice. A third option would be to dishonor yourself and refuse to live up to the expectations you agreed to when you signed up on this site.

What do you consider smart?

You are the one who made the claim that Satan is very smart. Why don't you tell us what you mean by that and support your own assertion with evidence and reason? If you get it wrong, we'll let you know.

[dunsapy]

"Jesus was never called Jehovah"

I agree but...

For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jesus is Jehovah!

And Jehovah is an English translation which only appears
a handful of times in the English bible.

Are you saying that where I read Lord it means Jehovah?
Because if so,
Is Jesus not called Lord?

Matt.1
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who saved us from our sins?
Jesus or Jehovah?
Jesus is Jehovah! Cool

I combined your last 2 posts
There are many lords and many God's. These words are just titles. Satan is called the God of this system of things.
The problems stems from the fact that translator over the years became superstitious over writing Gods name. So what they did was substitute his name with Lord.
So you use the name Jehovah or Yahweh, when it appears in the bible.“Jehovah� is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although “Yahweh� is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te‧tra-, meaning “four,� and gram′ma, “letter�). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).If you have a proper translation the name is mentioned over 6,000 times in the OT.
This scripture is Jesus praying to his Father( Jehovah)
Jesus was the first creation and it was through Jesus that all other creation came about.

John 16:17 Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.

John 20:28 (RS) reads: “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’�
There is no objection to referring to Jesus as “God,� if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus’ own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as “gods.� (John 10:34, 35, RS; Ps. 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:18 (NW) Jesus is referred to as “the only-begotten god.� Isaiah 9:6 (RS) also prophetically describes Jesus as “Mighty God,� but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus’ being described as “a god,� or “divine,� at John 1:1