Do we choose God or does God choose us?

Manu · Post by **Manu** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:24 pm

Just want to know some perspectives out there.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:39 am

Confused wrote: Maybe God should show he cares enough to worry. Maybe then I wouldn't be so confused.

LOL. You’re confused b/c you don’t u/stand many things. This situation can be defused if you care to ask and listen to the answers. The more you u/stand, the more you’ll love your Maker.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:22 am

Madeline wrote:God chooses us by predestination, which literally means to 'mark off or choose before.' God chooses those He knows will participate in his plan of salvation and extends it to all who respond in faith. Prior to creation God appointed some to be his children, those who would believe. This demonstrates the sovereignty of God. While we are free moral agents, we are, nevertheless, subject to his sovereign will and purposes.

Love,
Madeline

Congrats. You have set every Christian here wrong. You say he chooses by predestination. You negate free will. My hats off to you.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:24 am

topaz wrote:
Confused wrote: Maybe God should show he cares enough to worry. Maybe then I wouldn't be so confused.
LOL. You’re confused b/c you don’t u/stand many things. This situation can be defused if you care to ask and listen to the answers. The more you u/stand, the more you’ll love your Maker.

I can do no other than continue to seek and listen for answers one way or the other.

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:51 am

Confused wrote:
Madeline wrote:God chooses us by predestination, which literally means to 'mark off or choose before.' God chooses those He knows will participate in his plan of salvation and extends it to all who respond in faith. Prior to creation God appointed some to be his children, those who would believe. This demonstrates the sovereignty of God. While we are free moral agents, we are, nevertheless, subject to his sovereign will and purposes.

Love,
Madeline
Congrats. You have set every Christian here wrong. You say he chooses by predestination. You negate free will. My hats off to you.

You know, you can respond in a nicer demeanor instead of being sarcastic all the time. Pray tell, how does God knowing what choices we will make negate free will? Regardless, we are the ones who make the decision to come to Christ after God first draws us to Him with his spirit. You really need to read the bible more often. You disagree, then you are disagreeing with the bible.

John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:29 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Love,
Madeline

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:37 pm

Madeline wrote:
Confused wrote:
Madeline wrote:God chooses us by predestination, which literally means to 'mark off or choose before.' God chooses those He knows will participate in his plan of salvation and extends it to all who respond in faith. Prior to creation God appointed some to be his children, those who would believe. This demonstrates the sovereignty of God. While we are free moral agents, we are, nevertheless, subject to his sovereign will and purposes.

Love,
Madeline
Congrats. You have set every Christian here wrong. You say he chooses by predestination. You negate free will. My hats off to you.
You know, you can respond in a nicer demeanor instead of being sarcastic all the time. Pray tell, how does God knowing what choices we will make negate free will? Regardless, we are the ones who make the decision to come to Christ after God first draws us to Him with his spirit. You really need to read the bible more often. You disagree, then you are disagreeing with the bible.

John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Romans 8:29 - For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Love,
Madeline

I apologize for my sarcasm. While it is partially intentional simply because everything you preach essentially condemns my son to hell, I will try to work on it.

It isn't his knowledge that negates free will, it's your claim of predestination. If God only reaches out to those he knows will participate in salvation etc (your words exactly), then those of us who don't feel his presence are already condemned. You claim, prior to birth, God appointed some to be his children. Aren't you lucky? Sorry, sarcasm again. So what happens to those he hasn't chosen? How does this not negate free will?

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:07 pm

Confused wrote:I apologize for my sarcasm. While it is partially intentional simply because everything you preach essentially condemns my son to hell, I will try to work on it.

It isn't his knowledge that negates free will, it's your claim of predestination. If God only reaches out to those he knows will participate in salvation etc (your words exactly), then those of us who don't feel his presence are already condemned. You claim, prior to birth, God appointed some to be his children. Aren't you lucky? Sorry, sarcasm again. So what happens to those he hasn't chosen? How does this not negate free will?

How? How does it condemn anyone to hell? We have the choice to accept God, God knows before hand who and who will not receive his offer of salvation. How does this negate free-will? I don't argue with God's sovereignty, thats what his word says. You don't like it, you take it up with God.

Love,
Madeline

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:39 pm

Madeline wrote:
Confused wrote:I apologize for my sarcasm. While it is partially intentional simply because everything you preach essentially condemns my son to hell, I will try to work on it.

It isn't his knowledge that negates free will, it's your claim of predestination. If God only reaches out to those he knows will participate in salvation etc (your words exactly), then those of us who don't feel his presence are already condemned. You claim, prior to birth, God appointed some to be his children. Aren't you lucky? Sorry, sarcasm again. So what happens to those he hasn't chosen? How does this not negate free will?
How? How does it condemn anyone to hell? We have the choice to accept God, God knows before hand who and who will not receive his offer of salvation. How does this negate free-will? I don't argue with God's sovereignty, thats what his word says. You don't like it, you take it up with God.

Love,
Madeline

Because I guess my son (autism/aspergers/severe ADHD) wasnt' one of your precious Gods selections. He can't recieve an offer of salvation that he doesnt comprehend. So tell me, where in your scripture is their an exception for him. I don't have a God to take it up with. I dont' postulate a God exists, you do. So take it up with yours since he is the all mighty.

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:43 pm

Confused wrote:Because I guess my son (autism/aspergers/severe ADHD) wasnt' one of your precious Gods selections. He can't recieve an offer of salvation that he doesnt comprehend. So tell me, where in your scripture is their an exception for him. I don't have a God to take it up with. I dont' postulate a God exists, you do. So take it up with yours since he is the all mighty.

Says who? How do you know that your son isn't going to heaven? I certainly don't believe that God is going to send an autistic to hell, now way, no how! I now understand why you are so confused, you don't even believe in God. And I am sorry to hear about your son.

Love,
Madeline

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:52 pm

Madeline wrote:
Confused wrote:Because I guess my son (autism/aspergers/severe ADHD) wasnt' one of your precious Gods selections. He can't recieve an offer of salvation that he doesnt comprehend. So tell me, where in your scripture is their an exception for him. I don't have a God to take it up with. I dont' postulate a God exists, you do. So take it up with yours since he is the all mighty.
Says who? How do you know that your son isn't going to heaven? I certainly don't believe that God is going to send an autistic to hell, now way, no how! I now understand why you are so confused, you don't even believe in God. And I am sorry to hear about your son.

Love,
Madeline

save your sorries, they arent' true. I never said I don't believe in God. I lack the information to make a decision about His existence. I would like to believe, but people like you make it difficult. I am on this forum to try to make sense of it. If you ever paid attention to any other threads, you might learn this. Tell me now, where in the Bible does it say exceptions exist for those like my son?

Madeline · Post by **Madeline** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:58 pm

Confused wrote:save your sorries, they arent' true. I never said I don't believe in God. I lack the information to make a decision about His existence. I would like to believe, but people like you make it difficult. I am on this forum to try to make sense of it. If you ever paid attention to any other threads, you might learn this. Tell me now, where in the Bible does it say exceptions exist for those like my son?

What do you mean my sorries aren't true? you have a lot of nerve of quoting the bible passage of not judging others and that is exactly what you do. I'm not responding to you any more, I don't need your hypocrisy.

Love,
Madeline