THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

[Eddie Ramos]

It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.

Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

[myth-one.com]

So you do get the concept that Rev 20:10 isn't a literal place were people actually go. Thus the Devil and his demons are going to place where things like death and the grave are are made, in your words, extinct. This means demons are not immortal.

How does that mean that Demons are not immortal? It proves that they are immortal!

Death and hell become extinct. There will be no more humans to die or bury when the last living human is either born again as a spirit or dies in the lake of fire.

But the Devil is not a human. He is an immortal angel who rebelled against God.

And since the Devil will be tormented day and night for ever and ever in the lake of fire, then the lake of fire is a literal everlasting place!

The fire will not hurt the Devil because he is not a physical bodied being which feels any pain.

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

[2timothy316]

So you do get the concept that Rev 20:10 isn't a literal place were people actually go. Thus the Devil and his demons are going to place where things like death and the grave are are made, in your words, extinct. This means demons are not immortal.

How does that mean that Demons are not immortal? It proves that they are immortal!

Death and hell become extinct. There will be no more humans to die or bury when the last living human is either born again as a spirit or dies in the lake of fire.

But the Devil is not a human. He is an immortal angel who rebelled against God.

And since the Devil will be tormented day and night for ever and ever in the lake of fire, then the lake of fire is a literal everlasting place!

The fire will not hurt the Devil because he is not a physical bodied being which feels any pain.

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

Death can't be tormented as it can't feel anything, thus the lake of fire is not literal. The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

[myth-one.com]

The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

The lake of fire is the second death for humans cast into it, because humans are mortal.

Satan, or the devil can't die in the fire. Do you believe in any form of everlasting life?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count.

I'm starting to have doubts about that statement.

How can nothing be tormented day and night forever, when the Devil is tormented day and night forever & ever?

Are you using that "eisegesis" stuff you wrote about?

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How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

[2timothy316]

The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

The lake of fire is the second death for humans cast into it, because humans are mortal.

Satan, or the devil can't die in the fire. Do you believe in any form of everlasting life?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count.

I'm starting to have doubts about that statement.

How can nothing be tormented day and night forever, when the Devil is tormented day and night forever & ever?

Are you using that "eisegesis" stuff you wrote about?

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How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire...(rev 20 10)
death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.(rev 20:14)

How can the grave be tormented? It can't. Thus the lake of fire is symbolic.

It can't be made anymore clear. To be cast into the lake of fire means eternal death.
I don't use eisegesis as it is flawed and it seems you don't know what it is.

[myth-one.com]

The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

The lake of fire is the second death for humans cast into it, because humans are mortal.

Satan, or the devil can't die in the fire. Do you believe in any form of everlasting life?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count.

I'm starting to have doubts about that statement.

How can nothing be tormented day and night forever, when the Devil is tormented day and night forever & ever?

Are you using that "eisegesis" stuff you wrote about?

<======================================>

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire...(rev 20 10)
death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.(rev 20:14)

How can the grave be tormented? It can't. Thus the lake of fire is symbolic.

It can't be made anymore clear. To be cast into the lake of fire means eternal death.
I don't use eisegesis as it is flawed and it seems you don't know what it is.

[myth-one.com]

The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

The lake of fire is the second death for humans cast into it, because humans are mortal.

Satan, or the devil can't die in the fire. Do you believe in any form of everlasting life?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count.

I'm starting to have doubts about that statement.

How can nothing be tormented day and night forever, when the Devil is tormented day and night forever & ever?

Are you using that "eisegesis" stuff you wrote about?

<======================================>

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire...(rev 20 10)
death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.(rev 20:14)

How can the grave be tormented? It can't. Thus the lake of fire is symbolic.

No, no, no, no, no. Let's not forget about the immortal Devil. The Devil can be tormented in the lake of fire for eternity.

Thus the lake of fire is not symbolic!

[2timothy316]

The lake of fire is the 2nd death, not more life. (Rev 20:14) The Bible is clear that the lake of fire is where the Devil and his demons go. This makes them no more just as death and the grave are no more.

Compare 1 Cor 15:26, "And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." If the final place for death is the lake of fire then things thrown into the lake of fire are 'brought to nothing'. That is what is going to happen to Satan. He will stay nothing forever.

The lake of fire is the second death for humans cast into it, because humans are mortal.

Satan, or the devil can't die in the fire. Do you believe in any form of everlasting life?

I have read the Bible so many times I've lost count.

I'm starting to have doubts about that statement.

How can nothing be tormented day and night forever, when the Devil is tormented day and night forever & ever?

Are you using that "eisegesis" stuff you wrote about?

<======================================>

How many copies of the Ten Commandments did God make for Moses?

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire...(rev 20 10)
death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.(rev 20:14)

How can the grave be tormented? It can't. Thus the lake of fire is symbolic.

No, no, no, no, no. Let's not forget about the immortal Devil. The Devil can be tormented in the lake of fire for eternity.

Thus the lake of fire is not symbolic!

The debate has become circular and meaningless.

[onewithhim]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

Yes I have. Have you? I agree, this is getting really sad. You insist on not recognizing the many Scriptures that have been presented to you showing that demons are not immortal. And for some reason you refuse to notice that the book of the Revelation is almost all symbolic. The devil and his demons will actually DIE; they won't be alive somewhere toasting in a fiery lake. The lake of fire is exactly the same as "Gehenna." Both symbolize the total destruction of the wicked.

[myth-one.com]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

Yes I have. Have you? I agree, this is getting really sad. You insist on not recognizing the many Scriptures that have been presented to you showing that demons are not immortal. And for some reason you refuse to notice that the book of the Revelation is almost all symbolic. The devil and his demons will actually DIE; they won't be alive somewhere toasting in a fiery lake. The lake of fire is exactly the same as "Gehenna." Both symbolize the total destruction of the wicked.

Two type of bodies are defined in the scriptures - natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

Natural bodies die and spiritual bodies live forever:

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23)

And speaking of believers born again into the Kingdom of God, Jesus states:

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

So God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings which live forever.

Satan is an angel:

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Definition of demon: an evil spirit or devil.

The devil is an angel, so the Devil lives forever. He will be restrained in the lake of fire eternally according to your Bible.

His power will be totally destroyed. He will no longer rule over the earth or anything. His body can never be destroyed.

[onewithhim]

Demons are not immortal. The Scriptures say that there was only one who had immortality (I Timothy 6:16). The demons are said to be destroyed
at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ. Being "thrown into the lake of fire" is symbolic of complete destruction. They will actually be dead, not living on in a fiery "hell."
James said: "Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you by my works." (James 2:18)

This is really getting sad.

Demon: an evil spirit or devil.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Have you ever read the entire Bible from page 1 to the last Page?

Yes I have. Have you? I agree, this is getting really sad. You insist on not recognizing the many Scriptures that have been presented to you showing that demons are not immortal. And for some reason you refuse to notice that the book of the Revelation is almost all symbolic. The devil and his demons will actually DIE; they won't be alive somewhere toasting in a fiery lake. The lake of fire is exactly the same as "Gehenna." Both symbolize the total destruction of the wicked.

I hope the people who read your posts are reading ALL of the posts here so they can draw their conclusions as to what sounds true to them. Your ideas are way out in left field, and I am running from third base. Jesus is telling me to run home.