What belifs make a Christain?

[Donray]

For me to ask a question in another topic I need to understand what beliefs a Christain must have to be called a Christian.

From my understanding in using this board, several online religious course, and my
knowledge on the bible I have come to the following:

There are only two beliefs that all Christians must have:

1: That Mary was a virgin and God created a baby in her.
2: Jesus was crucified and rose from bring dead.

It does matter if you think the bible is 100% true or 100% stories and myths.
It does not matter if ware magic underwear or not.
It does not matter if you are baptized or not.
It does not matter if your gay or not.
It does not matter what rituals you perform.
It does not matter if you belong to one of thousand Christain cults and main religions.
It does not matter if you pray or attend a church.

Nothing else matters.

Am I correct?

[PinSeeker]

Given that I didn't address your "claim", I fail to see the relevance of your objection.

Ah yeah, you were rejecting onewithhim's claim. My bad. But still, your rebuttal there was all about ethnic Jews, and being a Jew -- in God's economy -- is not about ethnicity at all. Which would indicate you don't understand my "claim" either, and therefore the relevance. But I getcha; you weren't speaking to it in the first place. Okay, carry on, then.

Grace and peace to you.

[Tcg]

Which would indicate you don't understand my "claim" either, and therefore the relevance.

There is no relevance. I didn't address your "claim" in any way.


Tcg

[PinSeeker]

There is no relevance.

To you. That's perfectly fine. Grace and peace to you.

[brianbbs67]

yes it does contain more than Judah. The great diaspora sent the ten tribes of Israel to the four corners of the earth from which God says He will gather them again. When I say Israel, I mean the dispersed people of the Kingdom of Israel and any of the mixed multitude which wish to sojourn.

Did you not know, Ephraim and Manaseh would father such a multitude?

I don't mean to say that "your mind is far too small" or anything like that, but it seems your understanding on this is far, far too small. What I meant is on a much larger, infinitely higher plane than what you're saying, I think.

[Replying to post 70 by Checkpoint]

Really a response to Brian's post just above. I'm not really saying anything concerning Brian here, but I think not understanding what/who Israel really is taints people's beliefs in many if not most threads that ever get started on this forum. And this seemed one of them, at least at the time I posted it...

Grace and peace to you, Checkpoint.

You seem to have done exactly what you accused me of in this post. I believe the taint is on you.

I didn't "accuse you" of anything, Brian. I really don't even understand your line of thought in saying that.

Grace and peace to you.

You still don't understand what I am saying about Israel. The northern kingdom was dispersed and has interbred and spread across the continents. They could be any of us. Even if someone isn't blood related they can still join the new "Israel". God's people. This was always true from the beginning. The Jews are not Israel, biblically or historically or racially. They are Judah, Levites and part tribe Benjamin(and who ever else stayed).

[Menotu]

To be a Christian there are two fronts:
The internal and external.

Speaking externally, it can be anywhere (here, work, school, driving, the bar, killing another, smoking, drinking, etc) all you have to do is say you're a Christian. You don't need to prove it to anyone (unless Christianity is considered against the law or a protected class).

You're smoking at a bar, swearing, lusting over the bar tender and drinking and say "I'm a Christian."
Then what?
People say you're not? So what? What does that do to you?

You argue with your spouse and slap/punch them all the while saying "I'm a Christian."
So what? Because they say "No you're not!" doesn't make you a Christian?

Speaking internally, within your soul/mind/spirit/whatever, you say "I'm a Christian." Only you can make that true if you're honest with yourself. And only you know the truth. What's funny about that, is that the truth....it's not always the same for everyone. You can convince yourself whatever you want if you try hard enough.

Basically, only what you determine yourself to be (or not to be) matters. Nothing anyone else says (outside of legalities of the society you're in) matters.

I disagree. The only thing that matters is what Jehovah, the God of the universe, determines you to be. You can delude yourself into thinking you're a Christian and all the while you are doing the debauched things you describe above, and guess what? You are DELUDED. (And I'm not saying YOU, but I'm talking about anybody.)

Didn't Jesus say, "By their fruits you will know them"? (Matt.7:16,20) That is, you can tell who is a real Christian and who is not by what they do. He went on to say:

"Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the Kingdom, but only those who are doing the will of my Father in heaven." (Matt.7:21) How much clearer can it be? You have to be doing what God says to do.



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Thanks for the reply.

You response would mean the person would have to believe in said God. Which isn't a requirement to what they consider themselves.
Some people consider themselves cats. They aren't biologically, but they don't care. That's what they consider themselves, that's the current and requires no faith in something not seen. Which makes the argument over what some deity thinks immaterial. At leas to the here and now.

[brianbbs67]

To be a Christian there are two fronts:
The internal and external.

Speaking externally, it can be anywhere (here, work, school, driving, the bar, killing another, smoking, drinking, etc) all you have to do is say you're a Christian. You don't need to prove it to anyone (unless Christianity is considered against the law or a protected class).

You're smoking at a bar, swearing, lusting over the bar tender and drinking and say "I'm a Christian."
Then what?
People say you're not? So what? What does that do to you?

You argue with your spouse and slap/punch them all the while saying "I'm a Christian."
So what? Because they say "No you're not!" doesn't make you a Christian?

Speaking internally, within your soul/mind/spirit/whatever, you say "I'm a Christian." Only you can make that true if you're honest with yourself. And only you know the truth. What's funny about that, is that the truth....it's not always the same for everyone. You can convince yourself whatever you want if you try hard enough.

Basically, only what you determine yourself to be (or not to be) matters. Nothing anyone else says (outside of legalities of the society you're in) matters.

I disagree. The only thing that matters is what Jehovah, the God of the universe, determines you to be. You can delude yourself into thinking you're a Christian and all the while you are doing the debauched things you describe above, and guess what? You are DELUDED. (And I'm not saying YOU, but I'm talking about anybody.)

Didn't Jesus say, "By their fruits you will know them"? (Matt.7:16,20) That is, you can tell who is a real Christian and who is not by what they do. He went on to say:

"Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the Kingdom, but only those who are doing the will of my Father in heaven." (Matt.7:21) How much clearer can it be? You have to be doing what God says to do.



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Thanks for the reply.

You response would mean the person would have to believe in said God. Which isn't a requirement to what they consider themselves.
Some people consider themselves cats. They aren't biologically, but they don't care. That's what they consider themselves, that's the current and requires no faith in something not seen. Which makes the argument over what some deity thinks immaterial. At leas to the here and now.

Well, Menotu, it seems a belief in God would be tantamount to being christian no matter how you identify yourself. No God means no christian or muslim or jew or any other religion. I will grant you that even the demons believe in God. They just don't recognize His sovereignty, begrudgingly.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 85 by Menotu]

But you're talking about Christians. The subject here is "What beliefs make a Christian?" A Christian has to believe in God.



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[PinSeeker]

...the new "Israel". God's people. This was always true from the beginning. The Jews are not Israel, biblically or historically or racially.

That's all I needed to hear from you, Brian. This is what I've been saying. I guess I was mistaken in what I thought I was hearing from you. My apologies.

I think we'd need a little further conversation to really see, but I don't think we see eye to eye on the Law, however.

Grace and peace to you, my friend.

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 85 by Menotu]

But you're talking about Christians. The subject here is "What beliefs make a Christian?" A Christian has to believe in God.



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Why?
And whom walks around with a list of names and checks who is or isn't a Christian by their definition?
And why do those people care?
Simply believing one's a Christian doesn't suffice?

[JehovahsWitness]

Simply believing one's a Christian doesn't suffice?

Does simply believjng one is a doctor suffice to being one? Belief should reflect reality because what we believe impacts our actions and thus on the lives of those around us. Would you let your child be operated on someone that has watched a few episodes of "Grey's Anatomy" and thus believe themselves to be a surgeon? How comfortable would you be behind the wheel knowing licenses were accorded to people based on whether they believed they could drive. When would Your next flight be if you knew all one needed to do to fly a plane is believe one could?