A suggestion for Christians

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:56 pm

One of the topics we often discuss here is what makes a true Christian and what assures salvation and thus eternal life in Heaven? The big problem is we get many different people coming through here claiming to have the truth and correct understanding of scripture. However many of these people contradict each other. This is not at all helpful and I'm sure you agree that if one gets it wrong the ramifications are horrendous and many people, like I have, could spend their lives genuinely following what they believed to be Christ and correct doctrine, but find they were never true Christians to begin with because of their ignorance.

I'd like to suggest all the Christians get together in the Holy Huddle room to remedy this problem.

First of all, using holy spirit discernment, weed out all those who aren't true Christians

and with those of you left, nut out together what it takes to consider yourself a true Christian.

You all being true Christians and having the holy spirit within you, I would invisage no problem with accomplishing this task. You can then come back to us as a group with your final list of conditions to consider one a true Christian and worthy of eternal life; worshiping God for all eternity, thus ensuring that we lost and sinful folk have accurate information that we can accept or reject Christ by. $\:D/$

Also while you are at it, for those who completely reject the bible, perhaps you could also come to a unified agreement on what Hell actually is. Is it eternal suffering, death by fire or simply the grave? I'm sure with the understanding given to you by the holy spirit, this should be an easy question for you true Christians to answer and would leave us with little doubt what we are in for if we continue on our evil and abominable ways.

If any other people have any topics they'd like sorted out perhaps they can post them on this thread? I'm sure that the holy spirit will be able to deal with them all quickly and efficiently. Maybe at last we can find out what the real truth is and what the bible really is saying to us?

I look forward to our Christian members here showing the sort of unity Paul so desired amongst the believers. I'm sure you will be eager to assist God in spreading the truth to the rest of us here and the many thousands who come into this site and read.

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So now having read this OP do you agree that with the Holy spirit, this venture should be easily undertaken?

If not, why not?

And if Christians cannot come to a consensus amongst themselves, using the holy spirit to gain understanding, how can any unbelievers take the bible or Christians seriously? ](*,)

dunsapy · Post by **dunsapy** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:16 pm

Why is it then that you portray your God as such a miserable failure? If God really did want humans to succeed, he would not make it so difficult for us

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Satan is the one who has made it this way. God has made it so that there is a way out. There is no need for any wars, there is no need for people to starve to death.
So Satan's influence, and man himself is doing this.
Even though we are imperfect doesn't not mean we as humans have to treat the earth or other life like we do.
Until God steps in , he said you are in the world, but be no part of it.The ones that follow this, are Gods people.

If part of his purpose is that humanity succeeds, then apparently you are wrong.

But there are people who do this. Though few in number compared to the world.
Noah and his family were 8 people to an estimated one million on the earth at that time.

Man could have spent this time in perfection, but chose to do the opposite.
I did not choose to be less than perfect. Did you? Am I being condemned by God for a decision made by an ancestor about 6,000 years ago?

No we didn't chose it. But the reality is that we inherited, it. So God does not expect us to be perfect. Anyone can choose to do God's will. But the bible says most don't want it.
The other thing is that once this question is settled, it will not happen again. God will not allow it. Satan will be done away with. The earth will be filled with only people who want to follow God. We will gain back the perfect live we lost. By the end of God rest day, the earth will be just as God purpose was set out in the beginning.

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:21 pm

McCulloch wrote:
dunsapy wrote:God did not do that, Satan did. If you want to blame some one blame him.
Is Satan beyond God's control? If so, why? If not, then why can't we blame God?

Satan reports to God.
God is the boss.
We can blame God
and some of us do,
but why blame him for free will?

byofrcs · Post by **byofrcs** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:32 pm

dunsapy wrote:
Why is it then that you portray your God as such a miserable failure? If God really did want humans to succeed, he would not make it so difficult for us
.
Satan is the one who has made it this way. God has made it so that there is a way out. There is no need for any wars, there is no need for people to starve to death.
So Satan's influence, and man himself is doing this.
Even though we are imperfect doesn't not mean we as humans have to treat the earth or other life like we do.
Until God steps in , he said you are in the world, but be no part of it.The ones that follow this, are Gods people.

If part of his purpose is that humanity succeeds, then apparently you are wrong.
But there are people who do this. Though few in number compared to the world.
Noah and his family were 8 people to an estimated one million on the earth at that time.

Man could have spent this time in perfection, but chose to do the opposite.
I did not choose to be less than perfect. Did you? Am I being condemned by God for a decision made by an ancestor about 6,000 years ago?
No we didn't chose it. But the reality is that we inherited, it. So God does not expect us to be perfect. Anyone can choose to do God's will. But the bible says most don't want it.
The other thing is that once this question is settled, it will not happen again. God will not allow it. Satan will be done away with. The earth will be filled with only people who want to follow God. We will gain back the perfect live we lost. By the end of God rest day, the earth will be just as God purpose was set out in the beginning.

I do God's will.

(This is an in-context reply that should not be assume to claim the existence of any particular god outside of the reference universe).

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:37 pm

byofrcs wrote:
dunsapy wrote:
Why is it then that you portray your God as such a miserable failure? If God really did want humans to succeed, he would not make it so difficult for us
.
Satan is the one who has made it this way. God has made it so that there is a way out. There is no need for any wars, there is no need for people to starve to death.
So Satan's influence, and man himself is doing this.
Even though we are imperfect doesn't not mean we as humans have to treat the earth or other life like we do.
Until God steps in , he said you are in the world, but be no part of it.The ones that follow this, are Gods people.

If part of his purpose is that humanity succeeds, then apparently you are wrong.
But there are people who do this. Though few in number compared to the world.
Noah and his family were 8 people to an estimated one million on the earth at that time.

Man could have spent this time in perfection, but chose to do the opposite.
I did not choose to be less than perfect. Did you? Am I being condemned by God for a decision made by an ancestor about 6,000 years ago?
No we didn't chose it. But the reality is that we inherited, it. So God does not expect us to be perfect. Anyone can choose to do God's will. But the bible says most don't want it.
The other thing is that once this question is settled, it will not happen again. God will not allow it. Satan will be done away with. The earth will be filled with only people who want to follow God. We will gain back the perfect live we lost. By the end of God rest day, the earth will be just as God purpose was set out in the beginning.
I do God's will.

(This is an in-context reply that should not be assume to claim the existence of any particular god outside of the reference universe).

What is God's will?
And why do you call it God?

dunsapy · Post by **dunsapy** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:23 pm

I do God's will.

Good, I'm glad to hear that.

dunsapy · Post by **dunsapy** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:30 pm

Satan reports to God.
God is the boss.
We can blame God
and some of us do,
but why blame him for free will?

Actually Satan does not report to God, Satan severed that long ago.
You can blame God if you want, that is your free will to do.

InTheFlesh · Post by **InTheFlesh** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:55 pm

dunsapy wrote:
Satan reports to God.
God is the boss.
We can blame God
and some of us do,
but why blame him for free will?
Actually Satan does not report to God, Satan severed that long ago.
You can blame God if you want, that is your free will to do.

What is there to blame God for?

dunsapy · Post by **dunsapy** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:43 am

What is there to blame God for?

Some people blame God for the world, the way it is. But really the one to blame is Satan.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:01 am

dunsapy wrote:
What is there to blame God for?
Some people blame God for the world, the way it is. But really the one to blame is Satan.

and the God who allows this Satan to operate, unimpeded in this world.
If I own a dangerous mad-dog and I let it run loose in the street attacking children, would the authorities blame me or the dog for the injuries?

byofrcs · Post by **byofrcs** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:17 pm

InTheFlesh wrote:
byofrcs wrote:.....

I do God's will.

(This is an in-context reply that should not be assume to claim the existence of any particular god outside of the reference universe).
What is God's will?

God's will is what I do.

And why do you call it God?

What do you mean by God ?