What did Jesus create?

[snowbound]

It's my belief as well as the belief of many others that Jesus only created this 'earth' and this earth only. It's possible that he didn't even create this entire solar system, but God the Father did. God allowed Jesus to 'design' this planet and this planet only. I'm convinced that when we look up and see the trillions of 'suns' many of them have or likely have had inhabited 'earths' - and likely with humans on them. Possibly some of them have humans larger than us. Possible and in my view, likely the same.

No doubt God is still in the creation business. When this 'earth' reaches its end, God will create more 'earths' and my guess is they likely all FELL and needed a Savior. That Savior would likely be another fully human being like our Jesus was.

In my view it's illogical to believe we are the only human creation among trillions of stars AND trillions of galaxies.

https://www.thoughtco.com/galaxy-types- ... on-3072058

[OneJack]

You now contradicted your "only in the Lord" OneJack, as John 14:10,11 is written in the Bible you negate.

I believe them to be true because of the Lord's confirmation that they are His genuine utterance, hence, my only belief in the Lord, Capbook?

So, your Lord confirm that written Bible verses are believable.
Do your Lord also confirm that some God breathed verses are not believable OneJack?

Read well, Capbook!

What I mean is, to those God breathed verses whom you disregard, do your Lord also disregard those God breathed verses?
Like Matthew 4:1-10 OneJack?

Mat 4:1  Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 
Mat 4:2  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. 
Mat 4:3  And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 
Mat 4:4  But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  and *said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'" 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'" 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; 
Mat 4:9  and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." 
Mat 4:10  Then Jesus *said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'" 

Did I specifically tell you that I disregard the verses you posted?

[Capbook]

I believe them to be true because of the Lord's confirmation that they are His genuine utterance, hence, my only belief in the Lord, Capbook?

So, your Lord confirm that written Bible verses are believable.
Do your Lord also confirm that some God breathed verses are not believable OneJack?

Read well, Capbook!

What I mean is, to those God breathed verses whom you disregard, do your Lord also disregard those God breathed verses?
Like Matthew 4:1-10 OneJack?

Mat 4:1  Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 
Mat 4:2  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. 
Mat 4:3  And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 
Mat 4:4  But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  and *said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'" 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'" 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; 
Mat 4:9  and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." 
Mat 4:10  Then Jesus *said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'" 

Did I specifically tell you that I disregard the verses you posted?

Good, how about the verse that state Jesus died for us, isn't it included of what you described as God breathed OneJack?

[OneJack]

So, your Lord confirm that written Bible verses are believable.
Do your Lord also confirm that some God breathed verses are not believable OneJack?

Read well, Capbook!

What I mean is, to those God breathed verses whom you disregard, do your Lord also disregard those God breathed verses?
Like Matthew 4:1-10 OneJack?

Mat 4:1  Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 
Mat 4:2  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry. 
Mat 4:3  And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." 
Mat 4:4  But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'" 
Mat 4:5  Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, 
Mat 4:6  and *said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'" 
Mat 4:7  Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'" 
Mat 4:8  Again, the devil *took Him to a very high mountain and *showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory; 
Mat 4:9  and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." 
Mat 4:10  Then Jesus *said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'" 

Did I specifically tell you that I disregard the verses you posted?

Good, how about the verse that state Jesus died for us, isn't it included of what you described as God breathed OneJack?

It’s high time for you to ask the Lord yourself, will you, Cspbook?

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to snowbound in post #61]

In your opinion, @snowbound, what makes the Trinity a diabolical doctrine? If it's biblical, which it is, I believe it. Why don't you?

[NeutralZone]

It's my belief as well as the belief of many others that Jesus only created this 'earth' and this earth only. It's possible that he didn't even create this entire solar system, but God the Father did. God allowed Jesus to 'design' this planet and this planet only. I'm convinced that when we look up and see the trillions of 'suns' many of them have or likely have had inhabited 'earths' - and likely with humans on them. Possibly some of them have humans larger than us. Possible and in my view, likely the same.

No doubt God is still in the creation business. When this 'earth' reaches its end, God will create more 'earths' and my guess is they likely all FELL and needed a Savior. That Savior would likely be another fully human being like our Jesus was.

In my view it's illogical to believe we are the only human creation among trillions of stars AND trillions of galaxies.

https://www.thoughtco.com/galaxy-types- ... on-3072058

Scripture does not support your belief, snowbound. According to numerous portions of the Bible, Jesus was "begotten" aka created. A created being does not have the ability to create anything.


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[NeutralZone]

[Replying to snowbound in post #61]

In your opinion, @snowbound, what makes the Trinity a diabolical doctrine? If it's biblical, which it is, I believe it. Why don't you?

I've got news for you, BruceLeiter. The Trinity is not supported by scripture in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. The dogma was brought into Christendom during the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written by inspiration of Jehovah God.


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[NeutralZone]

[Replying to snowbound in post #1]

The Word (God) created everything -- not Jesus! Jesus is not the Word! Jesus is the "Word made flesh."

That is incorrect, myth-one. The spirit person referred to as "the Word" at John 1:1 is none other than Jesus Christ.


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[NeutralZone]

What did Jesus create?

Bible tells things have been created through Jesus. Does it mean, God created through Jesus, by using Jesus, or that Jesus created?

[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.
Col. 1:14-16

1213, you are referring to scripture at Colossians 1:16. That scripture means Almighty God Jehovah (the Father) is the power behind the creating.


"Thus saith Jehovah, thy Redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb: I am Jehovah, that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth ( who is with me? );" (Isaiah 44:24 -- American Standard Version)
https://biblehub.com/asv/isaiah/44.htm


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[placebofactor]

[Replying to snowbound in post #61]

In your opinion, @snowbound, what makes the Trinity a diabolical doctrine? If it's biblical, which it is, I believe it. Why don't you?

I've got news for you, BruceLeiter. The Trinity is not supported by scripture in Jehovah's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. The dogma was brought into Christendom during the 4th century AD, some 300 years after Jesus Christ left the earthly scene and returned to heavenly life, and some 300 years after the last book of the Bible was written by inspiration of Jehovah God.


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

NeutralZone: Who do you think Jehovah is in the Old Testament? It's the one who created "All things" in heaven and earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE." It's the Son of God, our Savior, our Redeemer. My question to you, “Would the creation include the smallest and the largest of the building blocks of life?” "I say YES!" The verse absolutely includes the smallest and the largest building blocks of life. “Visible and invisible” covers every level of created reality, from sub-atomic particles to galaxies, as well as the spiritual world.

Paul wrote that “All things” were created through Christ, in heaven and on earth, including thrones, dominions, rulers, and authorities. This is Paul’s way of saying nothing exists outside of Christ’s creative act, including what cannot be seen. Is Jesus the source of every atom, molecule, star, angel, and unseen power? Is he the source of every cell, protein, DNA, molecular structure, Atam, quark, and subatomic particle? Of course, he is; the Bible speaks loud and clear concerning these matters, not unless your hearing aid needs new batteries.

Paul is emphasizing Christ’s absolute supremacy over creation. He is countering all teachings like yours that elevate angels or cosmic powers by clearly stating that Jesus made everything, visible and invisible. He makes it clear that nothing, whether physical, spiritual, microscopic, or cosmic, exists outside of Jesus' creative authority.

Acts 4:12, "Neither is their salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." It's not Jah, of YHWH, LORD, God, Jehovah, or Yahweh, Pete, Sam, Joe, or Mike, it's Jesus, Greek, "JEHOSHUA." And if you want to change LORD and God to God's real name, at least give him the respect he deserves; it's not Jehovah, it's YHWH.

[myth-one.com]

NeutralZone:

Who do you think Jehovah is in the Old Testament? It's the one who created "All things" in heaven and earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE." It's the Son of God, our Savior, our Redeemer.

You are confusing the Word with Jesus!

The Word is God:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him (the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.



The Word made flesh was the man Jesus:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, . . . (John 1:14)

A man did not create the heavens and/or the Earth!

God did!!

But Jesus (the "Word made flesh") was born billions of years after the original creation.