Equality between the Father and Son

[placebofactor]

Did the Father have the power to raise or elevate his Son Jesus to the same rank as himself? Let us call the highest rank in heaven "the rank of God."

Hebrews 1:8, The Father said of his Son Jesus, "Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom." Verse 9, "Therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of Gladness above thy fellows." Verse 10, "And thou LORD (the Father calling his Son Jehovah), in the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the works of your hands."

And is there the same degree of likeness, similarity, and dignity between the Father and Son? If so, then the Son can be called God because it's the Father's prerogative. And if it is the Father's privilege, who are we to deny it?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tygger2 in post #68]

Heb. 1:8 in the KJV reads 'thy throne, O God, is forever and ever’


Literally the NT Greek text reads for Heb. 1:8: “Toward but the son the throne of you the god into the age of the age.”

The American Standard Version (ASV), the Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), and The New English Bible (NEB) have provided alternate readings to the traditional trinitarian rendering of the KJV at Hebrews 1:8. These alternate readings (found in footnotes) agree with Dr. Moffatt’s, Dr. Barclay’s, Smith-Goodspeed’s, Byington’s, and the New World Translation’s renderings of this scripture (“God is your throne”).

Even Young’s Concise Bible Commentary (written by the famous trinitarian author of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible) admits: “[Heb. 1:8] may be justly rendered ‘God is thy throne ...’ in either case it is applicable to the mediatorial throne only.”

Then all the above must be wiser than the 60 brilliant, and proven scholars, professors of the three greatest Universities in all of Europe who translated the King James Bible?

Yes, and as we have discerned from what Christ said, the majority isn't always right. (See Matthew 7:13,14.)

[Revelations won]

Dear Capbook,

I think this clarified when we understand that the Fathers “throne” is
forever.

Yes Christ was to inherit all that the Father had and would sit in the Fathers throne.

But you should also remember that Christ also had glory with the Father before he condescended to come to this earth to gain a body like the rest of us.

We should also remember that he came into morality committed to do the will of the Father and by so doing he suffered the will of the Father and though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered was made perfect and became the author of salvation for us.

You do not need to take my word for it, as Christ himself so very powerfully testified “I of my self can do nothing”, “for I only do the things that I have seen my Father do”.

Have you forgotten that as Christ testified that he not only had glory with the Father before he came to earth, but also that by doing the will of the Father in mortality in his earthy mission he would also by so doing would also bring “greater glory” to the Father?

Thus it is obvious that by his works he would earn the right to be exalted to sit in his Fathers throne.

Thus we should remember that in this process of eternal progression that the Father was also to receive greater glory and exaltation to a greater throne.

Perhaps this is better understood when we cast off the tunnel vision concept that we are the only earthy creation of God wherein the spirit children of God the Father has placed his spirit offspring are sent to experience the tests and trials of mortality to prove ourselves worthy of his greatest blessings.

Hope this gives you an introduction which you should carefully ponder on.

[placebofactor]

[Replying to tygger2 in post #68]

Heb. 1:8 in the KJV reads 'thy throne, O God, is forever and ever’


Literally the NT Greek text reads for Heb. 1:8: “Toward but the son the throne of you the god into the age of the age.”

The American Standard Version (ASV), the Revised Standard Version (RSV), the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV), and The New English Bible (NEB) have provided alternate readings to the traditional trinitarian rendering of the KJV at Hebrews 1:8. These alternate readings (found in footnotes) agree with Dr. Moffatt’s, Dr. Barclay’s, Smith-Goodspeed’s, Byington’s, and the New World Translation’s renderings of this scripture (“God is your throne”).

Even Young’s Concise Bible Commentary (written by the famous trinitarian author of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible) admits: “[Heb. 1:8] may be justly rendered ‘God is thy throne ...’ in either case it is applicable to the mediatorial throne only.”

Then all the above must be wiser than the 60 brilliant, and proven scholars, professors of the three greatest Universities in all of Europe who translated the King James Bible?

Yes, and as we have discerned from what Christ said, the majority isn't always right. (See Matthew 7:13,14.)

I believe you need o do a little more research, if not, good luck with your agenda.

[onewithhim]

Dear Capbook,

I think this clarified when we understand that the Fathers “throne” is
forever.

Yes Christ was to inherit all that the Father had and would sit in the Fathers throne.

But you should also remember that Christ also had glory with the Father before he condescended to come to this earth to gain a body like the rest of us.

We should also remember that he came into morality committed to do the will of the Father and by so doing he suffered the will of the Father and though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered was made perfect and became the author of salvation for us.

You do not need to take my word for it, as Christ himself so very powerfully testified “I of my self can do nothing”, “for I only do the things that I have seen my Father do”.

Have you forgotten that as Christ testified that he not only had glory with the Father before he came to earth, but also that by doing the will of the Father in mortality in his earthy mission he would also by so doing would also bring “greater glory” to the Father?

Thus it is obvious that by his works he would earn the right to be exalted to sit in his Fathers throne.

Thus we should remember that in this process of eternal progression that the Father was also to receive greater glory and exaltation to a greater throne.

Perhaps this is better understood when we cast off the tunnel vision concept that we are the only earthy creation of God wherein the spirit children of God the Father has placed his spirit offspring are sent to experience the tests and trials of mortality to prove ourselves worthy of his greatest blessings.

Hope this gives you an introduction which you should carefully ponder on.

What is your point? What are we supposed to get out of your post so that we can ponder on it?