Jesus is God - Acts 20:28

[Wootah]

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28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

So we are to pay careful attention and care for the church of God, which He obtained with his own blood.

Isn't it clear that God obtained the church with his own blood?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
It’s clear to me!

[MissKate13]

Wouldn't God's church be His, without obtaining it?

I think that does not mean Jesus is God.

Hi 1213. You ask an interesting question. I looked the verse up in its original language. Most translations use purchased, bought or acquired with His own blood. Only a couple use obtained.

Here’s the verse from the KJV.

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ask yourself this question. Did God purchase the church with His blood?

Have a blessed day!
Kate

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #3]

Hi 2Timothy316.

I looked the verse up in the Kingdom Interlinear. The word “Son” is not in the original Greek. See for yourself

28 προσέχετε Be YOU paying attentionἑαυτοῖς to selvesκαὶ andπαντὶ to allτῷ theποιμνίῳ, flock,ἐν inᾧ whichὑμᾶς YOUτὸ theπνεῦμα spiritτὸ theἅγιον holyἔθετο putἐπισκόπους, overseers,ποιμαίνειν to be shepherdingτὴν theἐκκλησίαν ecclesiaτοῦ of theθεοῦ, God,ἣν whichπεριεποιήσατο he reserved for selfδιὰ throughτοῦ theαἵματος bloodτοῦ of theἰδίου. own (one). (Acts 20:28 KI)

It seems the NWT took the liberty of adding the word “Son.”

Compare to the KJV.

Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

[MissKate13]

Why did Jesus die on a cross?

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For to this end Christ died, rose, and lived again, that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
Romans 14:9
Most assuredly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God's voice; and those who hear will live.
John 5:25
Behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt. 27:51-52
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If the dead know nothing (Ecclesiastes 9:5), how can they be waiting somewhere? And when Jesus died he stayed dead for three days. He didn't go anywhere. The place you are referring to is the place where the demons are, and it is they that Jesus went to see after his resurrection. (I Peter 3:19,20)

Even if person would not be unconscious, it would not mean he could not be waiting. It can be true that dead body knows nothing. But, also Solomon says, spirit returns to God and that God will bring everyone to judgment.

then the dust shall return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.
Ecc. 12:7
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with all that is hidden, whether it is good, or whether it is evil.
Ecc. 12:14

I believe the people who have died, are either in "Hades" or "Abraham's bosom". And, I think the words of Jesus means, he went to those places and took with him those who received him.

And it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers to the bosom of Abraham--and the rich man also died, and was buried; and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom,
Luke 16:22-23

If you disagree with that, please explain what do you think John 5:25 and Matt. 27:51-52 means?

I’m confused by who wrote the post directly above. Whoever it was, kudos to you for an excellent response.

God bless you!

Kate

[1213]

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Here’s the verse from the KJV.

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ask yourself this question. Did God purchase the church with His blood?

Have a blessed day!
Kate

Thank you and hopefully you also have a blessed day.

I understand the scripture so that Jesus has obtained/earned/purchased the church of God by his blood. Meaning, because of what he did with his life, he earned the position.

And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil. 2:8-11

But, even then, God is the highest, as told here:

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

[MissKate13]

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Here’s the verse from the KJV.

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Ask yourself this question. Did God purchase the church with His blood?

Have a blessed day!
Kate

Thank you and hopefully you also have a blessed day.

I understand the scripture so that Jesus has obtained/earned/purchased the church of God by his blood. Meaning, because of what he did with his life, he earned the position.

And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil. 2:8-11

But, even then, God is the highest, as told here:

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

Good Morning 1213. Thank you for your response. I have no problem with what you wrote. The Son has always and will always be in subjection to His Father.

Would you mind answering my question?

Did God purchase the church with His blood according to Acts 20:28?



King James Bible (Acts 20:28)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Be blessed!
Kate

[1213]

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Did God purchase the church with His blood according to Acts 20:28?
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I understand the scripture so that Jesus purchased it, not God.

[MissKate13]

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Did God purchase the church with His blood according to Acts 20:28?
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I understand the scripture so that Jesus purchased it, not God.

Thank you for your response 1213

The problem is that the verse says GOD purchased the church with His blood. There’s no getting around that fact. We can’t simply ignore it?

We all know that it was Jesus who shed His blood. We also know that it was He who purchased the church with His blood. Yet if you look at the Greek rendering of Acts 20:28, you will see that it was THEOS (God) who shed His blood.

How do you get around that it was GOD who purchased the church with His blood. You can’t simply ignore it.

I mean no offense to you 1213. I’m hoping you give it some thought.

Blessings,
Kate

[1213]

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Did God purchase the church with His blood according to Acts 20:28?
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I understand the scripture so that Jesus purchased it, not God.

Thank you for your response 1213

The problem is that the verse says GOD purchased the church with His blood...

Sorry, I don't see where do you get the idea God did it. The scripture says:

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:28

I think it is referring to Jesus, not to God, because Jesus was the one who died. But, maybe I am wrong and God purchased it. That does not then mean Jesus is the God, because Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him.

[MissKate13]

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Did God purchase the church with His blood according to Acts 20:28?
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I understand the scripture so that Jesus purchased it, not God.

Thank you for your response 1213

The problem is that the verse says GOD purchased the church with His blood...

Sorry, I don't see where do you get the idea God did it. The scripture says:

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Acts 20:28

I think it is referring to Jesus, not to God, because Jesus was the one who died. But, maybe I am wrong and God purchased it. That does not then mean Jesus is the God, because Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him.

Happy Friday 1213! Thanks for responding and for being respectful.

I understand what you are saying. We agree that Jesus purchased the church with His blood. This, however, is not the first time in Scripture where God/Theos are referring to Jesus.

Question: Who do the pronouns “he” and “his” in Acts 20:28 point back to in the verse?

”Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28 KJV)

Have a great weekend!
Kate