Is the bible Gods word?

[dunsapy]

This can be a large topic, because there are many ways to check the bible. From archeology, science, creation, history , prophesies, and what the bible says about itself.( is it full of contradictions?) etc. I certainly don't know everything. And some things are not fully explained in the bible ( or certain usage of words or meanings have been forgotten over time) . But there certainly is enough information to know if the bible is Gods word or not.

[dunsapy]

Life we see shows existence.

His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.�—ROMANS 1:20.
I do agree with this!

[bernee51]

A "circle" is not a "sphere". A circle is drawn on a surface...like on a turtle.

cirâ‹…cle
   /ˈsɜrkəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sur-kuhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

What about the previous 15 definitions in your list?

I prefer wiki...

A circle is a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of those points in a plane which are the same distance from a given point called the centre.

A sphere (from Greek σφαί�α — sphaira, "globe, ball,"[1]) is perfectly round geometrical object in three-dimensional space, such as the shape of a round ball.

[byofrcs]

A "circle" is not a "sphere". A circle is drawn on a surface...like on a turtle.

cirâ‹…cle
   /ˈsɜrkəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sur-kuhl] Show IPA noun, verb, -cled, -cling.
16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.

Talk about scraping the barrel !. You quote mine an online reference here (full list below), and find one of the lowest entries which also happens to match the same reference in the book you are trying to use. That is like me saying you are a fool and then citing my post that says that you are a fool.

We don't allow that.

If the person says it is a circle then unless something is lost in translation then it is a circle.

I only live at 1300 feet altitude and I can see the curve of the earth over the Mediterranean sea. The Bible isn't adding anything new here that someone who doesn't live in a cave can plainly observe.

What is new is when the Greeks actually worked out how round it was.

1. a closed plane curve consisting of all points at a given distance from a point within it called the center. Equation: x 2 + y2 = r2.
2. the portion of a plane bounded by such a curve.
3. any circular or ringlike object, formation, or arrangement: a circle of dancers.
4. a ring, circlet, or crown.
5. the ring of a circus.
6. a section of seats in a theater: dress circle.
7. the area within which something acts, exerts influence, etc.; realm; sphere: A politician has a wide circle of influence.
8. a series ending where it began, esp. when perpetually repeated; cycle: the circle of the year.
9. Logic. an argument ostensibly proving a conclusion but actually assuming the conclusion or its equivalent as a premise; vicious circle.
10. a complete series forming a connected whole; cycle: the circle of the sciences.
11. a number of persons bound by a common tie; coterie: a literary circle; a family circle.
12. Government. an administrative division, esp. of a province.
13. Geography. a parallel of latitude.
14. Astronomy.
a. (formerly) the orbit of a heavenly body.
b. meridian circle.
15. Surveying. a glass or metal disk mounted concentrically with the spindle of a theodolite or level and graduated so that the angle at which the alidade is set may be read.
16. a sphere or orb: the circle of the earth.
17. a ring of light in the sky; halo.

[bernee51]

Life we see shows existence.

His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.�—ROMANS 1:20.
I do agree with this!

That's nice.

Do you agree with everything Paul wrote?

The mysogyny, the misanthropy, the self hatred...?

and why do you continually (I have asked several times now over several threads) ignore this bit?

Life we see shows existence.

You claim creation.

In order to show this is anything more than your belief you must:

1) Show that there is no alternative to life having been created (you have not done this)

2) Show that a god was necessary to do this creating, and not some other force (you have not done this)

3) Show that ONLY your god was responsible for this creating (if indeed this is what you claim - and you have not done this)

[byofrcs]

Life we see shows existence.

His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.�—ROMANS 1:20.
I do agree with this!

If you agree with that opinion in Romans 1:20 then you should agree with this one from the venerated book of Byofrcs,

"Debating with fools is a waste of time if you intend to change their view but it keeps you occupied whilst running a make on a Linux kernel - which is a good thing." - Letter to the Cavedwellers 3:17.

I come here for subjective views. If I wanted opinions from the Bible then I'd read that myself.

[McCulloch]

Moderator Notice

There have been many posts that are off topic in this thread. Please remember that this is in the Theology Doctrine and Dogma subforum. In this subforum, the Bible may be used and not challenged for evidence. If you are uncomfortable debating what the Bible says as opposed to whether the Bible is true then do not participate here.

Moderator Warning

"Debating with fools is a waste of time if you intend to change their view but it keeps you occupied whilst running a make on a Linux kernel - which is a good thing." - Letter to the Cavedwellers 3:17.

I come here for subjective views. If I wanted opinions from the Bible then I'd read that myself.

This post is clearly uncivil and off topic.

[McCulloch]

Moderator Notice


Bernee51 and dunsapy, as fruitful as the debate about science and creation is, it cannot be properly carried out in this subforum or this debate thread. In this subforum, the Bible is assumed to be correct. We have a science and religion subforum more appropriate to continue this debate.

[McCulloch]

Regarding prophesy:

Since we are in a subforum where the Bible is assumed to be correct, then the alleged fulfillment of prophesy cannot be argued against. For example, in Ezekiel 29 and 30, it is prophesied that Nebuchadnezzer would destroy the nation of Egypt and it would be desolate and unoccupied for forty years. Now, assuming that the Bible is true, this must have happened. The historical record which shows a continuous unbroken occupation of Egypt, the names and dates of its rulers, throughout this period must be wrong. Another example is the prophesied complete and final destruction of Tyre by Ezekiel. Never mind that Tyre is mentioned as a going concern in the New Testament.

[dunsapy]

What about the previous 15 definitions in your list?

I agree with those also.

[dunsapy]

Bernee51 and dunsapy, as fruitful as the debate about science and creation is, it cannot be properly carried out in this subforum or this debate thread. In this subforum, the Bible is assumed to be correct. We have a science and religion subforum more appropriate to continue this debate.

yes I know. I have got to lay off the science, bit. But science also helps show the bible is true. But the start to life and evolution, I will stay away from.
Archeology and history, should be included though.
I know I could just use this subforum, to my advantage, and not answer anything, that puts doubt on the validity of the bible. But the bible does not need this protection. So I have always tried, to answer all questions.
My intention in this forum is to, get into more what the bible actually says. Because this, is really where you find out if the bible is true or not.