Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[Wootah]

'Wootah is one with God and is in God and is equal to God.'

Is my statement blasphemy to you?

[kjw47]

[Replying to kjw47 in post #56]

'Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through me.'

How cocky can a non God being get?

Surely God would say well actually Jesus I make the rules. Not you Jesus but me. I God am the Way, I God am the truth, I God am the life.

Thoughts? Read what Jesus said. How can that not be blasphemy out of anyone's mouth other than God's?

Jesus only spoke the things from his God and Father-John 5:19,30.--SEE verse 30--He can do 0 of his own.

[otseng]

That is you getting upset you have to face Jesus is God or deny basic logic.

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[Wootah]

Jesus only spoke the things from his God and Father-John 5:19,30.--SEE verse 30--He can do 0 of his own.

Now Jesus has no agency.

Is Jesus a robot from God for you?

[JehovahsWitness]

Then how do you explain Jesus's words in John 8 where John recounts Jesus’ conversation with the Pharisees?

John 8:58
“Jesus answered them: ‘I solemnly declare it:
before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

• EXPLAINED : Did Jesus declare himself YHWH at John 8:58 ?
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus uses the title “I AM,” the name God uses for Himself when answering Moses in Exodus 3:14.

No he did not.

• EXPLAINED : Did Jesus apply the name of God as declared at Exodus 3:14 to himself?
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GOD, JESUS and ...THE "TRINITY TEXTS" DEBUNKED

[JehovahsWitness]

IS IT TRUE THAT ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS? [MARK 2:6-7]

Jesus was explicit claims his identity stating "... I am God's son" (John 10:35) and also indicating he had the authority to forgive sins. The religious leaders of that time challenged him (Jesus) on these things, claiming that this was tanatemount to claiming equality with God. Jesus however stated clearly that "the Father is greater than I" so gospel readers are faced with a choice: Who should we believe, Jesus Himself or the conclusions of Apostate Pharisee class in his audience?

The Pharisees as a class proved themselves liars, false teachers and flagrant manipulators of events, clearly then their conclusions must be weighed against Gods Word of truth as found in holy scriptures. The Hebrew bible indicates Almighty God can and does delegate authority to his Prophets. Indeed Jesus demonstrated that authority to forgive sins can be delegated by a higher authority to lower servants , NOTE

JOHN 20:21-23

Jesus said to them again: “May you have peace. Just as the Father has sent me, I also am sending you.” .... : “Receive holy spirit. If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain those of anyone, they are retained.” Compare : Eph. 4:32; Col. 3:13; 2 Cor. 2:10

CONCLUSION: It would be a mistake to accept the conclusion drawn by those that have proved themselves enemies of truth. Gods word indicates authority to forgive sins can be delegated by a higher authority to his subordinates, so as God's son Jesus could indeed forgive sins without claiming equaliy with the Father

[JehovahsWitness]

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WORSHIP , IDOLATRY and ... BLASPHEMY

[1213]

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Anyone not acknowledging that God is King is not giving God the rightful place in their life...

Interesting, I think God is higher than a king. Was it said somewhere in the Bible that only God is the king, and for example David is not and will not be a king?

[1213]

John 8:58–59
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
59 When Jesus said this, the people picked up stones to throw at him [ believing he had committed blasphemy worthy of death]. But Jesus hid himself, and then he left the Temple.

Jesus uses the title “I AM,” the name God uses for Himself when answering Moses in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

The reaction of the Pharisees confirms this is precisely who Jesus was claiming to be, god, because they tried to stone Him for blasphemy."

Many people have said I am, why are they not stoned?

If we say, "I am" is always same as "God", then what Jesus said would be: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, God.”. That is not same as saying "I am God". I think translations that say "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I was.”, are better than the translations that use "I am", because they are more logical in context.

But the scribes who were there called this blasphemy because only God has authority to forgive sin

Mark 2:6-7
6 Some of the teachers of the law were sitting there. They saw what Jesus did, and they said to themselves, 7 “Why does this man say things like that? What an insult to God! No one but God can forgive sins.”

And in Isaiah 43:25 we read just that.

Isaiah 43:25
But I [god] wipe away your sins because of who I am. And so, I will forget the wrongs you have done.

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Isaiah doesn't say only God can do that. I believe God can give authority for others to forgive also. And then the forgiveness comes ultimately from God, there is just mediator between God and people.

[Miles]

John 8:58–59
58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.”
59 When Jesus said this, the people picked up stones to throw at him [ believing he had committed blasphemy worthy of death]. But Jesus hid himself, and then he left the Temple.

Jesus uses the title “I AM,” the name God uses for Himself when answering Moses in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14
14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

The reaction of the Pharisees confirms this is precisely who Jesus was claiming to be, god, because they tried to stone Him for blasphemy."

Many people have said I am, why are they not stoned?

Back then, how do you know they weren't? You don't. And today Jewish and Christian pooh-bah's no longer have the power to commit such crimes . . . as much as they may want to.

If we say, "I am" is always same as "God", then what Jesus said would be: “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, God.”. That is not same as saying "I am God".

Then why would the Pharisees try to stone Jesus to death for blasphemy?

John 8:59
59 When Jesus said this, the people picked up stones to throw at him [ believing he had committed blasphemy worthy of death]. But Jesus hid himself, and then he left the Temple.

It's because they regarded Jesus's remark "“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM” as an announcement that he was, in fact, god.

But the scribes who were there called this blasphemy because only God has authority to forgive sin

Mark 2:6-7
6 Some of the teachers of the law were sitting there. They saw what Jesus did, and they said to themselves, 7 “Why does this man say things like that? What an insult to God! No one but God can forgive sins.”

And in Isaiah 43:25 we read just that.

Isaiah 43:25
But I [god] wipe away your sins because of who I am. And so, I will forget the wrongs you have done.

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Isaiah doesn't say only God can do that.

Then why do you suppose he bothered to say it at all? God is saying it to reinforce the fact that he can wipe away sin because of who he is, and because nobody else is like him they lack such an ability.

I believe God can give authority for others to forgive also. And then the forgiveness comes ultimately from God, there is just mediator between God and people.

Unfortunately your beliefs mean bupkis.

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