JESUS IS NOT YHWH

[onewithhim]

Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?


I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

[Candle]

Jesus prayed to YHWH, the Father, not to himself. (E.g., Matthew 26:39,42; John 11:41,42; John 17:1-26.) Would he have been praying to himself?

He continually referred to himself as "God's SON," not YHWH Himself. (John 5:19; John 8:28,29; John 10:36; John 17:1.) Even the Jews who hated him recognized that fact (John 19:7). Can he be his own Son?

He applied Isaiah 61:1,2 to himself, at Luke 4:17-21, showing that he was the one anointed BY YHWH, and sent BY YHWH. There are incontrovertibly two Persons mentioned in the passage, and YHWH is the One calling the shots. The anointed one does what YHWH wants. How could they be the same Person?

Psalm 110 is also applied to Jesus at Acts 2:34,35. He is the "Lord," or Messiah, that YHWH speaks to. Was YHWH talking to Himself?


I think that just these few points would show plainly that Jesus is not YHWH. Can anyone explain how THESE REFERENCES, ABOVE, can possibly agree with the premise that Jesus is YHWH? I'm not asking for other Scriptures to be brought in without commenting ON the verses I am asking about. Please give me your reasoning concerning these particular Scriptures. Thank you.

YHVH is a Spirit. Spirits are invisible.

Jesus is not the Spirit of YHVH. He is his image.

YHVH is invisible. If you want to see him, Jesus is what he looks like.

Isaiah 61 - The Spirit of YHVH rests on the image of YHVH.

So, Jesus IS God in that He is his image. Jesus is NOT God in that He is NOT the Spirit.

Here's the critical question: "Why did Jesus stop in the middle of a sentence, and then sit down?"

Jesus can't both be God and not be God.

He didn't stop in the middle of a sentence. He quoted Isaiah 61:1,2 and then sat down. After that he said, "Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled." (Luke 4:18 and 21) What is your point?

Verse 2 "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD and the day of vengeance of our God." He did not read the entire sentence. He was there to proclaim the acceptable year, which is the duration of His ministry. He was not there to proclaim the day of vengeance of our God.

He can be the image of God without being the spirit of God.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Candle in post #581]
It is true that Jesus was and is the image of God. However, this does not make him God.

When he quoted Isaiah 61 this shows that he and God are not the same individual. God's name is there in the original language (YHWH, or, Jehovah) where "LORD" is in all upper case letters, and Jehovah is anointing Jesus (as Jesus indicated when he quoted it), showing that they are not the same individual nor is Jesus God the Most High.

[Candle]

[Replying to Candle in post #581]
It is true that Jesus was and is the image of God. However, this does not make him God.

When he quoted Isaiah 61 this shows that he and God are not the same individual. God's name is there in the original language (YHWH, or, Jehovah) where "LORD" is in all upper case letters, and Jehovah is anointing Jesus (as Jesus indicated when he quoted it), showing that they are not the same individual nor is Jesus God the Most High.

That means the body you are walking around in is not you.

As long as you want to cite Isaiah, let's look at chapter 66. Here is where we see that YHVH comes to destroy his enemies. After that he makes a new heaven and a new earth. So, this is a prophecy regarding the end time destruction of Babylon and the establishing of the Kingdom on the earth.

Revelation 19-20 tell us that Jesus does it. Hmmm....

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Candle in post #581]
It is true that Jesus was and is the image of God. However, this does not make him God.

When he quoted Isaiah 61 this shows that he and God are not the same individual. God's name is there in the original language (YHWH, or, Jehovah) where "LORD" is in all upper case letters, and Jehovah is anointing Jesus (as Jesus indicated when he quoted it), showing that they are not the same individual nor is Jesus God the Most High.

That means the body you are walking around in is not you.

As long as you want to cite Isaiah, let's look at chapter 66. Here is where we see that YHVH comes to destroy his enemies. After that he makes a new heaven and a new earth. So, this is a prophecy regarding the end time destruction of Babylon and the establishing of the Kingdom on the earth.

Revelation 19-20 tell us that Jesus does it. Hmmm....

Jesus does it with Jehovah's approval and power. That ties them both together as coming at the end of the system of things. Let's not side-step Isaiah 61. There are two Persons mentioned there, and one is Jehovah and the other is the Messiah. They are not one Person. And what do you mean by "the body you are walking around in is not you"? I find no sense in that statement.

[Revelations won]

[Candle]

[Replying to Candle in post #581]
It is true that Jesus was and is the image of God. However, this does not make him God.

When he quoted Isaiah 61 this shows that he and God are not the same individual. God's name is there in the original language (YHWH, or, Jehovah) where "LORD" is in all upper case letters, and Jehovah is anointing Jesus (as Jesus indicated when he quoted it), showing that they are not the same individual nor is Jesus God the Most High.

That means the body you are walking around in is not you.

As long as you want to cite Isaiah, let's look at chapter 66. Here is where we see that YHVH comes to destroy his enemies. After that he makes a new heaven and a new earth. So, this is a prophecy regarding the end time destruction of Babylon and the establishing of the Kingdom on the earth.

Revelation 19-20 tell us that Jesus does it. Hmmm....

Jesus does it with Jehovah's approval and power. That ties them both together as coming at the end of the system of things. Let's not side-step Isaiah 61. There are two Persons mentioned there, and one is Jehovah and the other is the Messiah. They are not one Person. And what do you mean by "the body you are walking around in is not you"? I find no sense in that statement.

It does not sway "Jesus does it with Jehovah's approval." It says Jesus does it. It says YHVH does it. Your eisegesis undermines the credibility of your claim.

The same person is doing the deed. That person is identified 2 different ways. Isaiah 61 says, "The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;..."

YHVH's spirit is upon his image. His image is the physical manifestation of him. (Colossians 1:15, 1 Timothy 3:16)

Your body is the physical manifestation of you. Your body is not you in the sense that it is the sum total of you. But, it is 100% you. It is not someone else. The breath of YHVH in your physical body makes you a living thing. The breath of YHVH in Jesus made Him a living thing. His identity is YHVH. He is the image of YHVH.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Candle in post #586]
Jesus truly identifies with YHWH (Jehovah), as he is the image of Jehovah....not Jehovah Himself. (Colossians 1:15) Isaiah 61 clearly shows this to be true. Jehovah is anointing the Messiah and sending the Messiah....He is not anointing Himself. Come let us REASON together (Isaiah 1:18, KJV) and not submit to smoke and mirrors.

[Candle]

[Replying to Candle in post #586]
Jesus truly identifies with YHWH (Jehovah), as he is the image of Jehovah....not Jehovah Himself. (Colossians 1:15) Isaiah 61 clearly shows this to be true. Jehovah is anointing the Messiah and sending the Messiah....He is not anointing Himself. Come let us REASON together (Isaiah 1:18, KJV) and not submit to smoke and mirrors.

The only smoke and mirror problem is the belief that whatever you have been taught, or imagine, cannot be questioned.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

To be an entity that is "manifest in the flesh" can only mean one thing.
THAT ENTITY has become a human person. No amount of circumlocution will alter the plain language of the text.

The built-in limitations of human understanding often try to limit YHVH in what he is and what he can do, as well as what he means when he says something.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Candle in post #586]
Jesus truly identifies with YHWH (Jehovah), as he is the image of Jehovah....not Jehovah Himself. (Colossians 1:15) Isaiah 61 clearly shows this to be true. Jehovah is anointing the Messiah and sending the Messiah....He is not anointing Himself. Come let us REASON together (Isaiah 1:18, KJV) and not submit to smoke and mirrors.

The only smoke and mirror problem is the belief that whatever you have been taught, or imagine, cannot be questioned.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

That Scriipture has been shown to be corrupted, and anyone can see that if they compare different Bible versions and even go back to the original language in an Interlinear Bible. It doesn't say that GOD was manifest in the flesh. The original says that HE was manifest in the flesh, and that "he" refers to Jesus Christ and the sacred secret of godly devotion---NOT "God". Do some research on this.

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